Posted on: Friday, April 6th, 2012
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Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut DLC Discussion
Bioware has announced an Extended Cut to the Ending for Mass Effect 3 in direct response to the overwhelming amount of fan disappointment. I hate to be the one to say it, buy why do an Extended Cut if you are just going to expand on the ending we didnt like? I guess I should be grateful for it being free and providing more closure and explanation.I’m happy we pushed for it and ultimately won.
BioWare co-founder Ray Muyzka said the following regarding the Extended Cut:
Kotaku was able to clarify what is being offered even further. The Extended Cut will NOT introduce a different ending or add more endings instead it will provide more clarity and context for what the original ending offered:
“Much of the focus of the Extended Cut is to expand on the variety of consequences of player choices and degrees of success,” the spokesperson said, “so, with the new content, the player’s choices should result in a much more varied experience.”” -Bioware
Finally, Bioware confirmed that work on this DLC will delay other DLC content for ME3 that was already being made:
What do you think of the Extended Cut DLC? The content will be offered for Free until April 2014 and through Origin for PC Gamers.
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554 thoughts on “Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut DLC Discussion”
Best Case Scenarios
Destruction Ending – Shepard wakes up to see that the Reapers were successfully destroyed and it shows closure for various characters.
Synergy/Control Endings – Shepard awakes, believing what he did worked. Then depending on side quest/multiplayer score, you can either redeem yourself or something happens leading to you getting killed.
Worse Case Scenario
They continue with the regular bullshit ending and explain how everyone got on the Normandy and why Joker escaped, then what happened to the fleet.
Best case: The fans will shut up as they are being babies on this issue.
Worst case: They will still complain, and in effect turn the fandom into a mirror mirrage of Sonic The Hedgehog’s fandom.
Dude, why are you here?
So I’m not allowed to speak my mind on this issue cause I’m on Bioware’s side of this issue? Pretty petty if you ask me. And yes, I’m AndrewEB, just didn’t realize the PC didn’t log me in.
You’re allowed to speak your mind, but to insult a whole fan base, calling them ‘babies’ just smacks of the pretentious idiot who looks down on gamers. Either that or a troll looking for a fight. Especially since you come into a video deriding those who the video is aimed at.
If this isn’t obvious to you, I am a huge gamer just like Joe, but I am on the side of Bioware on this issue since it is they’re game, this is they’re vision of the ending, and they shouldn’t make an entirely new ending just to please the fans.
If you don’t like the ending, that is your opinion, it doens’t mean you should demand them to change it, but it is your opinion. If they change the ending, then that means I have the god given right as a consumer to demand George Lucas to remove aliens from the temple of the crystal skull because aliens aren’t allowed in an Indiana Jones movie. Is it a stupid thing to be mad about? Yes, do I still love the movie? Yes.
Saying that ten to fifteen minutes of gameplay ruined an entire franchise is beyond pathetic to outsiders and game developers who work they’re ass off to make games for consumers in general.
Speaking your mind and insulting 100s of thousands of fans are two different things. Comment on what Joe says and tell us why you think differently. Simply making ad hominem attacks on those that have a different opinion than you is petty and your response is hypocritical at best.
^This^
Then WHAT IN GODS GREEN EARTH are people who are on your side of this debaccle doing on the Bioware Social forums? They’re lambasting the makers, threatening death on them, and whining just because the creators have a different opinion on the ending then they do, so don’t try and attempt a high road comment on me representing one side when I saw how ugly it really is.
I’m someone who aspire to be a video game maker, and I see videogames as a form of art, art with property rights, you guys should be at least thankful to Bioware as they are trying to clarify the ending for you. If you don’t like the ending, that’s your opinion, doesn’t give you a right to demand them to change the ending, but your still entitlted to that opinion.
@blacktrojan3921, I would have simply ignored your comment about gamers being babies had you not followed it up with the “pretty petty” comment. Only you can allow yourself to be brought down to the level of the “babies” you dislike.
I honestly don’t condone threats of violence. I can and will voice my opinion and choose not to support these companies moving forward.
The creators/artist you are defending promised “wildly different” endings based on our choices. What we got was three different colors of explosions and nearly the exact same cut-scene. Our choices made no difference and they left large gaping plot holes.
Perhaps you are OK with the creators lying to you and calling it art. They did not have to tout how our choices would make a difference… they did not have to brag about the WILDLY different endings there was going to be. They did… and it is not wildly different… it is barely different. I hope you can at least understand why some of us are not pleased with that.
Sorry, I’m one of those “crying babies” as it were. But I’m on Black Trojan’s side. If we get angry at him for speaking his mind in a satirical fashion we’re just being complete assholes. Don’t be an asshole, they may come in all shapes and sizes and some are shittier than others, but it’s never good to be inside one…. unless that’s your thing…
he wants somebody to acknowledge him. he does’nt get much attention at home.
Well it’s nice to know that you treat the average gamer with the same respect as everyone else; i.e. none.
Best case scenario: EA goes out of business because gamers around the world refuse to buy any game they produce. (Wouldn’t that look great as a reality based extended cut?)
Worst case scenario: I think we already have seen that with the current ending. Anything more is just trying to chocolate coat a turd.
As gamers, we need to stop paying for DLC! This is the only way companies will get the msg. On-disk day-one DLC? WTF? Vote with your wallets.
I urge everyone to NOT download any more content from EA regardless of price. They have abused their fans enough. Show them that their complete lack of integrity (artistic or otherwise) is not acceptable.
So how are we going to stop the millions of idiots that dutifully buy FIFA every year, Shin?
I mean Qann, sorry.
Perhaps they will figure it out when EA starts charging for “each player on each team” (as DLC) after they pay $70 for the game?
For the rest of us, Dragon Age 2 then ME3 should be enough abuse. We all need to try and get out of this abusive relationship with EA. We can seek help! I am hoping Diablo 3 intervention therapy will help.
That’s what they’re doing already. £45 for the game, £10 for each ‘Ultimate Team’
It’s bad enough the game hasn’t changed for 10 years!
Its ok, from what i’ve heard EA is about to lose their sports licenses.
Losing their license… poetic justice
The only bastion of hope now is Bethesda. Long live the Elder Scrolls, and Marauder Shields.
Best ending: Indoc proven right and we see the final battle with all of our squad mates fighting 300 style against everything. added in a actual epilogue with our romance and I’d be happy…and a Harbinger final battle, but you can’t have everything.
Worst ending: If they do nothing at all, but make the ending we got more mixed up.
Best case: It is the indoc theory cut down into a cinematic.
Worst case: It is Bioware just saying, “We stopped caring about epic stories that have made us so popular and are now just happy to kick you all in the balls with horrible writing and endings, oh but dont worry we will cliffhanger you and charge you money for even more!.”
Best case scenario, some new endings are put in as a surprise, endings that show choices do matter, plus an apology from Bioware, possibly involving Casey Hudson throwing Emperor EA off a balcony after he started shocking us with sith lightning. (Casey Hudson would be silent by the way)
Worst case, the kinect takes a picture of our face and we are treated to a rendition of ‘Trololo’ while a looping animation plays of a cartoon character (with our face attached) is mercilessly beaten by EA and Bioware, ending with the message ‘You should have respected our artistic integrity’ then the controller electrocutes you until dead.
Surreal I know, but after EA contributed to the downfall of the British retail group ‘The GAME Group’ I wouldn’t put it past them.
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*sigh*
I’m sorry, but I can’t blame EA for this. They make mistakes sure, but these are not the days of Ultima 8. Mass Effect 2 was, IIRC, developed pretty much entirely under their supervision. They were entirely responsible for C&C3, my fav strategy game of all time. Sure, they can get greedy, but these days, they’re never stupid greedy *coughCapcomCough* They try to put out good product, and when they fail, it’s usually due to incompetence of the studio rather than the publishers.
No, this was Bioware. I don’t know who, but the Godchild and those rediculous Dream Sequences had all the hallmarks of someone wanting to make Art. Art in the sense of a Serbian Film, something that sounds profound without being so.
*sigh* I can even make a fair bet as to how to work out who it is. I don’t know names, but there was a lot of building for this stuff in the From Ashes DLC
Who is the highest ranked Bioware guy who worked on both the main game and that DLC?
For once Joe, I’m actually in disagreement with the statements. The ending “made no sense” that was the problem. We can give our own explanations for these things, maybe Joker was ordered to leave, but without them actually saying that it’s bad writing. The extended cut hopefully will give clarification to the endings, perhaps even make each of them more different from the next so they are more separate. Also, I know it’s part of your thing to bash “the big evil corporations” but you can’t blame EA for what you don’t like and praise BioWare for what you do like. BioWare screwed up, they’re trying to rectify this. I’m cautiously optimistic about it. They are trying to satisfy both camps and I respect that. If they succeed, good work. If not, well sucks to be them because I’ll probably have reservations about buying their next game.
At the end of the day, I asked for change, they gave it, if it’s not good enough well, that’s not their problem, they can’t keep releasing new endings every time we complain about it. They have every right to respect the artistic integrity of their staff; even if their work was crap, it was their crap. They chose to change it being nice to us, they didn’t have to, and if we keep complaining about it and asking it them to change it, well, we’re just proving to people that we’re no better than philistines that everyone else thinks we are. It was their choice to try and clarify their work, good for them, they listened… would I like an indoctrination theory? Yes. Am I happy they’ve listened, also yes. It is not our job to make them change their work every time we dislike something. They’re making this DLC out of respect for US not because they have to.
there aren’t two camps. everybody either hates the ending or are indifferent.
No, there are two camps, there are people who do like the ending. I know that Shaun K from Blistered Thumbs is a supporter of the original ending and wanted it to stay. In fact it would be next to impossible for there not to be two sides to an argument. Saying that there aren’t two camps comes off as very immature, sorry to say.
Best case scenario is the idoc. theory. IF we got an epic boss fight. The worst case scenario I think is this: they don’t change anything and they only create a few minutes long slideshow with the “what happened afterwards?” title.
I personally could accept the extended cut:
IF (and that’s a big if)
0, Detailed explanation for everything from Mr. Starchild.
1, they change the ending videos to be vastly different. That’s the very least what they should do.
2, they build upon those cut-scenes something new, answering the most important questions:
How is it possible to rebuild the mass relays? (without Space magic it’s impossible imo)
What happens with the Krogan?
What happens with the Geth and Quarians?
What happens with Earth? After all that is the prize what we fight for.
and most importantly
What happens with Shepard and his crew? (I’m thinking about something different than what we already got)
and one paragon option for Shepard to survive, without destroying the entire galaxy
But what I’d like to see, is a complete redone! (no starchild, no stupid choices)
that’s what we all want.
But, dude, this ending does not leave everything open for the next game in the franchise. On the contrary, it fucks up the whole universe as we know it.
Not exactly. It basiclly destroys de ME universe yes. But seeing how ALL the endings take us to the same place, i think that is safe to guess that they are planning to do something about that for future games. Games which I will not buy.
Best case scenario, some new endings are put in as a surprise, endings that show choices do matter, plus an apology from Bioware, possibly involving Casey Hudson throwing Emperor EA off a balcony after he started shocking us with sith lightning. (Casey Hudson would be silent by the way)
Worst case, the kinect takes a picture of our face and we are treated to a rendition of ‘Trololo’ while a looping animation plays of a cartoon character (with our face attached) is mercilessly beaten by EA and Bioware, ending with the message ‘You should have respected our artistic integrity’ then the controller electrocutes you until dead.
Surreal I know, but after EA contributed to the downfall of the British retail group ‘The GAME Group’ I wouldn’t put it past them.
There is absolutely no way to fix all of the plot holes of the ending, things like Anderson and the Illusive man magically being on the Citidel or how about your squad members teleporting themselves into the normany while on Earth with Shepard. Although the thing that bothers me most about the ending that the indoctrination did fix was the fact that Shepard only lives through the red ending, so what if we picked any of the other endings we’re screwed?
I find it very hard to be optimistic about a best case scenario. Although the worse case scenario is very plausible where the ending could be made even worse. I mean how is only cinematics going to fix all the damage that’s been done?
Actually, it’s not that hard.
Anderson and Illusive man really don’t need that much explanation as they’ve already get on in the game, with Illusive man being on the Citadel already for quite a while, and Anderson being faster, not limping like Shepard.
Normandy can be explained by an added scene of it landing and seeing your crewmates board the ship and it goes off for some mission or something.
and exactly what mission would the Normandy be going on that was’nt ok’d by Shepherd?
Okay in part with Anderson it is a linear hallway but only when you move closer to the door Anderson just says he’s in the bridge walkway, how did he get there with no other ways except the room Shepard is in and Shepard only got there by using the portal how did everyone else get there?
As for the crew, I’m afraid that is IMPOSSIBLE to explain. For example I brought Tali and Garrus with me. In the ending Tali exited the Normandy with Joker and EDI.
1 how would Joker have been able to land on Earth with Harbinger standing gurad and pick up Tali
2 Why does Garrus not get picked up or for that matter any of the other crew members
3 Why would Joker and the rest of the crew abandon everyone?
Best case scenario would prove the indoctrination theory correct. Shepard wakes up after the destruction ending and we get to take part in an epic final battle. I’d be okay with a big epic cutscene but I actually want to fight in the final battle.
Worst case scenario would be if they continue where the synergy and control endings left off and try to explain the horrible ending to us. I honestly don’t care how my crew ended up on that planet. Explaining why something is stupid doesn’t make it any less stupid.
Hey man I have to say thanks for being the voice of the fan in all of this. Your outrage and disbelief reflects both my own and that of other gamers with whom I interact.
Let’s see, best case scenario: *anything* that makes one damn bit of sense.
Worst case: well, pretty much anything else.
I see this as a stunt to get fans quiet on this matter while EA and Bioware execs have a little discussion. They are probably trying their best to see a method of continuing the direction they planned. So long as they continue to see a profit however, they don’t see a point in spending more to give fans what they want.
Indoctrination theory I thought from the very beginning was way too subtle for the current writer, perhaps it could’ve been pulled off by the previous writer, but that’s no longer relevant.
Best Case Scenario; They add additional cutscenes that hint at the possible futures of the various characters and races, and perhaps hinting an expansion that will go further into giving the fans what they have so reasonably requested from day 1.
Worst Case Scenario; The DLC is dragged out and eventually cancelled.
Regardless this announcement was simply an insult to those who opposed the current ending, EA effectively saying “look you stupid shits this is why it doesn’t suck.”
A full out expansion is the best and easiest way to remedy the situation for all parties.
This is nothing.
This means nothing.
I don’t even care anymore. I’m done there is no explanation that will satisfy me. They lied to us and their wringing their hands hoping giving us nothing will make us satisfied.
I have one question and maybe someone can explain to me this. since the indoctrination theory makes the most sense, and everything that was happening was in his head(maybe), wouldn’t that mean that the relays weren’t actually destroyed at all. so, since they weren’t actually destroyed, no one was stranded around earth to starve, hence them saying no one will starve to death.
That the battle will continue when he wakes up from the rubble. I mean why would any company want to fuck with such a loyal fan base that would have thrown money at them if they deserved it rather then force us into a corner and make us pay them or we lose the true MassEffect experience.
Shame on you EA and grow some damn balls Bioware… you could have at least salvaged some support from fans.
Best case: Indoctrination theory is proven right and they will announce real ending dlc that has gameplay.
Worst case: the extended cut makes the ending even worse.
Now we wait and see what to make of this PR stunt of theirs.
Best Case scenario – This may be a bit better than the ending we got, and maybe more closure and more story will come out for DLC
Worst Case Scenario – This will just make the ending worse. The indoctrination theory was genius, and I wish that Bioware would listen to us and give us a better ending instead of this miserable shit. If this is truly how Shepard’s story ends, then I will never forgive EA or Bioware for ruining the ending to one of my favorite franchises.
Will these cutscenes explain why the reapers no longer care about dark energy and the accelerating universe? oh wait… did they simply drop that part of the script entirely?
This was in the original script which was leaked, why did they change it to this mess that we got.
Harbinger was originally intended to have been made from the race who discovered that dark energy was messing up the entire universe. Creating the reaper was the only way they could halt the expanding dark energy.
Dark energy can be explained and makes sence because as far as we know it is happening to the real life universe.
Joe, the way i see it… Bioware never acknowledged they did anything wrong.
The only thing they half-heartedly admitted is that some of the fans need further explaining (presumably because we cant figure out the meaning of the ending on our own). I find this attitude insulting. They misrepresented our demands so that they could wrap this up without having to put too much work or money in it.
So instead of a real ending that enables you make real choices and respond in a way that is consistent with your character, they will basically make some cutscenes that roll at the end. This is not really what most of us complained about.
Why make a DLC at all, if you won’t add interactivity, choice, options? 16 WILDLY DIFFERENT endings?
If there’s anything WORSE than making a bad ending, it’s making that bad ending longer.
I’ve got mixed feelings about this DLC.
Even though I was unsatisfied with the game’s ending, I didn’t want BioWare to just duct tape something new onto the game simply to satisfy the whiners. (Because I draw a distinction between guys like Joe, who are grounded, and guys who are throwing a shit fit that Shepard didn’t survive the explosion on the citadel by riding the shockwave on a surfboard with a shark slung over her shoulders while the most hardcore metal song in the world played in the background.)
And really, that’s what I fear this will become. This is my worst case scenario: whatever they provide for us will feel as tacked on, if not moreso, than the ending itself.
My best case scenario? They use the time between now and the Extended Cut release to craft a fantastic piece of work that does us the justice that the ending did not. I know between now and summer isn’t a lot of time, but if the ME3 team put their weight behind this, I believe they can do us right.
If they manage to rope in the Indoctrination Theory – to make clear the fact that it really did happen – then I would be fine with that. I still have mixed feelings about the theory itself, but if BioWare used it in the DLC, I would take it in stride. If they disprove it…well, it was a fun ride.
“Nobody starves to death” answers one of my largest issues, though. Think of this: of a system comprised with nine planets, with only one capable of sustaining life and at least one more partially terraformed (for scientific purposes if nothing else), is currently loaded with billions, if not trillions, of sentient beings. That one planet has been ravaged by the Reapers; there’s no realistic way that a devastated Earth would be able to support all of those aliens. The turians and quarians would have the worst of it, due to a limited supply of dextro-friendly food, so hearing “nobody starves to death” puts my mind at ease somewhat.
Yeah, no.
You see, most of the fans who complain as part of the Retake movement are grounded and have a pretty unified message. Sure, some of us would like to see Shepard survive, because there’s no real reason he should die. He’s not a tragic hero, the only that that can kill him is the writer’s fiat, saying he HAS to die.
The “beam jumping” and disintegration at the end are some of the most contrived and poorly executed hero suicides I’ve seen.
The only think they need to provide to appease the fans is what they promised in the first place. Everyone was happy with the ending of ME2 because it delivered what it promised. Sure, the ending of ME2 wasn’t perfect, but that’s not the point. We don’t want perfection.
The issue with the ME3 ending is that, since it was such a steaming pile of crap, it was subjected to a much more scrutiny from the fanbase than the ending of ME2. So yeah, Bioware cannot avoid that now. Scrutiny comes with disappointment. An unsatisfying ending will make you notice of its the flaws, but you can easily forgive the hiccups of a satisfying ending. If they give us an ending that is emotionally fulfilling, it CAN even be flawed. Most of us won’t mind.
forgive for the many typos
oh my god, language fail.
A lot of us are grounded and want a change for the same reasons Joe does.
Honestly, I am taking this as confirmation of the “Indoctrination Theory”
because the term “clarification” does not contradict the theory, in fact if the theory is “true” we would need that specific point clarified WOULDNT WE
i’d have to say the best we can realistically hope for is an epic fight scene for each of our past and present, surviving, squad mates, showing whether they live or die based on our interaction with them throughout the series. In addition, we’re probably going to see an additional combat scene with our war assets in space, battling it out with the reapers with them either getting their asses handed to them, only for a small fraction to be saved by the bullshit explosions if our total asset count isn’t high enough, OR holding their own, going blow for blow with the reaper armada. anything more would be a small credit to the developers for actually going all the way on the ending like they should have done to begin with, but on a much grander scale than some cop out dlc.
I certaintly hope it is the indoctrination theory! AND DAMN YOU ELECTRONIC ARTS!
Best Case: Indoctrination Theory
Worst Case: Sticking with the ending
Sorry to be so vague, but as you’ve already said Joe, there is no reason why a lot of things that happened in this ending should have happened. Shepard basically conforms to the entity responsible for the countless trillions he’s murdered in the galaxy and gives into it’s reasoning without any concern that it could be lying or that there may be another way to handle it.
As for “extending” the ending, I think the number one change players will notice if that their Shepard’s love interest will at least have a spot during Shepard’s three flashbacks. Many were upset that even the ME2 romances were all shelved in favor of Liara. I think that will be the limit of having the endings be more personal towards the player.
As for the Normandy….. I don’t know. The battle over Earth is still going on when Shepard meets that stupid god child, so why would Joker go to a Mass Relay? The Normandy doesn’t look damaged when it’s trying to outrun the explosion, so there wouldn’t be any reason for him to retreat. They’ll probably have Admiral Hackett tell Joker to retreat, or stay by the Mass Relay incase any Reaper reinforcements arrive….. makes sense considering the Normandy isn’t the kind of ship that can take on a Reaper ship, let alone multiple reinforcements.
But if you want my personal opinion on ME3 as a whole, I think the entire game should be re-written. There are so many important plot elements from the previous games that are just abandoned here. Like Haestrom’s sun dying off prematurely. I always thought the reasoning behind the sun’s unnatural death would have introduced a major game changing element to Mass Effect’s story as a whole, and it disappoints me to no end that BioWare didn’t commit to their own story.
i’d have to disagree with your last statement. i think the first 95% of the game is done beautifully. it gives an appropriate feeling of the situation going on in the galaxy. they did trim the fat a bit more than they should, but not to the point that anything in really needs to be addressed other than the ending. as for your complaint about haestrom’s sun, that would be an appropriate dlc to add on in the future.
“it gives an appropriate feeling of the situation going on in the galaxy.”
Which would have been fine if Shepard didn’t have such an “Earth First” priority.
Shepard: The Citadel? The fight is here!
This is my Shepard who sacrificed thousands of human lives to save the Council, and destroyed the Collector Base so it wouldn’t allow Cerberus to dominate the galaxy. Yet not six months later, she believes that the rest of the galaxy isn’t worth protecting and instead wants to stay on Earth. Her other friends and potential alien love interests? Why should that be any concern of hers?
Also, the side quests are a real let down. Instead of going to a planet, landing on it and interacting with the environment in some way like you did in ME1 and ME2, we’re instead treated with a dumbed down planet scanning gimmick. For this to happen even on quests that could have broadened the roles of so many alien races that have been sitting in the background, like the Elcor home world, it’s just lazy. And having a quest tracking system that doesn’t help you in figuring out where you need to go and whether or not you’ve completed your objective is just inexcusable.
And Diana Allers…. The mere thought of BioWare putting more effort into bringing Jessica Chobot into the game yet not giving Tali a proper in-game face just shows how much their artistic-integrity doesn’t mean jack.
And as for potential DLC for Haestrom’s sun? Yeah, let’s take what could have been a game changer to Mass Effect’s story, abandon it, and do something with it like DLC. How does that fix the problem? You’re basically telling me that it’s alright for BioWare not to commit to their own stories and chop it up in whatever way they see fit. How about telling your story in one medium?
Hey Joe, right on the money as usual.
Best case scenario:
The best case, for me, would be that they show my assets in action (Krogan charges, hit-and-run Asari commando strikes, Kirahe holding the line, Destiny’s Ascension blasting a Reaper apart, etc), as well as showing what happens with my crew and love interest. Also, maybe a narrative explaining exactly wtf was going on at the end.
Worst case scenario:
More BS starchild dialogue, more plot holes being ripped open, minimal cutscenes revolving around war assets and crew…
Somehow, I feel that the 2nd is going to be the option they choose and, really, even the best case scenario is stuff they should have had in the ending in the first place.
Keep fighting the good fight, Angry Joe! And keep telling it like it is!
Best case is that they explain the plot holes… More info in the God Child, more info on why the Mass Relay explosions didn’t wipe out entire systems, and more info on what happened to the stranded fleets and your comrades.
Worst case would probably be they leave open all the plotholes and just show a bit more of the battle.
I still haven’t played ME3 yet so I really can’t speak from experience, but from the way it was worded in BioWare’s response it seems like the worst case scenario is taking form and the “extended” ending won’t really give any answer and just make it more vague and convoluted than it sounds. I can’t say what the best case scenario would be other than adding a cinematic showing Shepard is still alive and there will be a ME4 or they will make a DLC in the same vein as Dragon Age: Awakening and give a proper ending where you actually get to fight the Reapers rather than having a cinematic telling you that you did but not getting to experience it.
Worst Case:
It proves the Ending was meant to be real in the real world (so to speak). So the Godchild and all that shit was real and not in his mind. I would hate it. The End.
Best Cast:
and this is what I still believe and hope for: The extended Cut explains, that it WAS all part of the indoctrination (as explained in great detail in the indoc.-theory-video) .
After all, they said in their Press-release the Extended Cut will “provide additional context and deeper insides to the conclusion” of the end, so that context and these insides might still be the fact that it was all indoctrination and in Shepards head.
Best case scenario I see as what many people have said in that they will explain the ending in a way for it to make sense and have closure on all issues particularly your love interest and other crew members. Also maybe they will confirm the indoctrination theory in some way. Or maybe I’m just way too optimistic. Worst case the plot holes are explained in a way that makes them make LESS sense if that’s even possible. Honestly I am happy Bioware is addressing this at all. I’m anxious to see what the Extended Cut has to offer
I didn’t hate the ending, starchild, colored explosions etc. – i hated the plotholes. If the Extended Cut will cover the plotholes i will be happy. That’s all i need, really.
This doesn’t feel so much like a victory as it does some sort of trick by EA into making us believe it is without actually doing what we wanted. If they were really responding to outcry on the bioware forums and twitter and all that they’d know we wanted things to end differently. We wanted the Indoc theory, but no, that’d be too clever and awesome to say that they were going to listen to the fans and make that theory a reality with a boss battle in true video game fashion. We’re forever stuck with Marauder Shields as our final boss I guess ( Never forget! ). I am grateful they’re at least expanding, but what’s the point when we’re basically just further analyzing the meanings of red, blue, and green? I’m very skeptical of how it’ll work out, but hopefully it’ll at least fill the plotholes present ( which seems hard to me with the indoc theory being wrong since that filled them all beautifully and would sure as hell make the game memorable ).
It’s going to be damn hard explaining how Joker chickened out, flew to earth, picked up your squad, and then abandoned the fight completely out of character. That’s what angered me the most honestly. That and Shepard’s complete acceptance of God childs’ logic even though pretty much every other time someone has told him/her that they can only win in with a, b, or c, shep would always be able to blend the 3 and defy what is possible. I mean come on shepard! This is the little bitch who’s controlling the reapers! Why are you giving in? I should stop now since I’m just stating what’s already been said again
in conclusion, I’m wary of this, but trying to remain positive for what was my favorite franchise. Sadly that’s a hard thing to be right now…
Actually me and my friends discussed this yesterday and my worst case is similar to your “exclusive”. They just stretch out what happens already and make the font larger on the last “shepard has become legend” dlc message you get.
Best case, I’ll at least see what happens to all the characters after i make my choice and maybe some minor but still disappointing closure. Outside of all the plot wholes the thing that upset me the most was that all the characters I had grown to care about over the past three games vanish without a trace( except Joker?).
You’re intentionally looking for things to complain about. They haven’t outright dismissed anything. The way you’re sounding now is you’re mad they didn’t give you exactly the ending you wanted. I agree about the fact that a literal interpretation of the ending isn’t a very good ending, but this fan rage is simply idiotic. Plus, neither Bioware or EA have said that the ending is 100% literal, so maybe you should save the whining and complaining until the actual content is released. I’m sure you have plenty of better things to complain about than what you put.
Also, bitching about EA giving you free maps and additional in-game content is stupid. Yes, there is a microtransaction option in the game, but it is far from necessary to actually obtain the new items. You can work your way up perfectly fine on your own.
Oh, also, when you talk about having exclusive footage and you present stupid immature crap like your video at the end, it really takes any credibility you have as a journalist away. To be honest, I’ve lost a lot of respect for you from this video. You could be correct in the end, but doing this prematurely is basically the equivalent of throwing a temper tantrum. I get that you’re pissed about Star Wars Kinect, but maybe you should’ve cooled down before putting together a video like this.
Justin they actually have in small comment on twitter. Its not looking when you actually research and read twitter. Your ability to criticise him is losing its muster. This guy does a better job than Colin pompous ass at IGN. Also Gameinformer who appears completely misinformed. SO I suggest quit running at the mouth.
Chris: I agree wholeheartedly that Joe is better than most mainstream people who tow a company line, I’m not saying Joe is bad at his job, but I feel that he’s being overly premature in dismissing this. I heard what was said on Twitter, and even watched Joe’s video. They don’t seem like they are outright dismissing anything.
As to my ability to criticize him, that comes from being a fan and giving feedback on what I want to see, which he often asks for. I don’t think that giving my opinion or stating that I disagree with Joe and his approach is “running at the mouth” as you have said. If I came across as brutish, I’m sorry, that wasn’t my intent.
Best case scenario, huh? Best case I can see is that Bioware proves the Indoctrination Theory, picking up the idea from the fans or showing they had it as an ace up their sleeve the whole time, and we get the kind of ending you described, Joe. Worst? Just filling up the holes with more and more useless information that has the characters we’ve dealt with over the past five years pull a complete 180 in terms of their personalities. The only other variation I can forsee is maybe these cut-scenes showing us how all of our choices over the games have changed things throughout the galaxy, but that’s about it.
best case, is that Bioware is simply pulling a fast one on us and are going to use the indoctrination theory…..the worst case is they spray the dog shit with perfume.
ugh… why does everybody go with this “they explain the shittiness of the ending” bit when the ending was shit because of lack of explanation.
Godchild is hated because nobody gets it, space magic is hated because it is extremely vague, destroyed Mass Relays are hated because we don’t see the consequences and assume the worst. Now with this explanation they can go on into more detail what happened, it can tell you what that choice actually did, it might even give info about the future of other planets you’ve visited, squadmates you had, though I doubt that one.
In short, it CAN give you a satisfying ending, because it wasn’t unsatisfying because there was “godchild” at the end, but because so many thing just left in the air, up to our imagination.
Also the indoctrination theory was really stupid anyway, saying “it’s not real” really does sound just a desperate attempt of denial…
Best case scenario:
They find the schematics for mass relays on mars, which then allows the survivors to build replacements *and* that mass relays can launch themselves into position. This way, they can get the victory fleet home, rescue the normany crew (although best case scenario implies that joker doesn’t leave w/ crew), and ensure that galactic civilisation doesn’t die out due to terrible writing.
Worst case scenario:
The plot holes are explained with even bigger plot holes
Ergo, I would prefer an ending re-do to what we are getting.
I’m still playing catch-up and about to finish ME2, so I still have yet to have a personal opinion about the ending I am hearing about rather than invest in and experiencing myself. But I do think an Indoc theory would be an awesome twist to the story. So the best I think could happen is that the DLC actually proves the Indoc theory somehow.
In my opinion the best case scenario would be that they prove the indoctrination theory, or at least some of it. The fact that it’s extended cut doesn’t mean that the ending we got was ‘real’, as discussed in your previous video, and that it was happening in Shepard’s mind. Although the DLC will expand on the ending(s) we got, if it all happend in his head there’s still hope for the indoctrination theory to be correct, and maybe the Extended Cut will explain to us what happened.
Best case senario
Indoctranation theroy proven, The crucible destroys reapers, relays survive, sheps squad has heart warming diolaug an shepard is a hero.
Worst case Indoctranation theory disproven, Rebuilds relays, shepard is alive in renegade, shepard hero victory fleet stranded for a while, normady somehow gets back to earth
I’m with you Joe. Shepard is indoctrinated, just like Highlanders aren’t from Zeist and Darth Vader was never Jake Lloyd. Sci-fi has had this happen way too many times, where you’ll get characters and settings you’re invested in, and then it’ll get a shitty writer who screws the whole thing up; at that point you’ve got to ask yourself, am I going to take this and have my story ruined, or am I going to reject it and come up with something better?
I say, to hell with sci-fi canon; if you have a better story, just believe that. It’s not like any of it is real anyway.
They diffidently should have gone with the indoctrination theory. That would have been one of the most amazing, and well thought out endings in video game history. I hope that you will at least see shepard reconnect with his romance. But I am disappointed that Bioware didn’t do the indoctrination theory that would have been incredible.
Best ending, reunited with crew or LI, some hope for future of galaxy
Worst ending, shepard crawls around in the rubble Cod MW style and dies after 5 mins of that, time lapse cut-scene of crews bodys decomposing, Pixar style blooper reel in credits.
Congratulations EA! You are dicks.
All im gonna say is this DLC is free and until it comes out im just gonna reserve judgement
WE WIN! (Sort of)
I’m still not convinced this is a ‘response’ to the outcry from the fans. I think this was all planned out from the start.
I think so too, otherwise why would they put in that scene where Shepard takes a deep breath, showing signs of life? I’m kinda afraid of this DLC, to be honest, because was everything that happened in Mass Effect 3 not real? We saw “signs” of indoctrination at the beginning, when we first meet the kid, but then he disappears. We also keep seeing those dreams, which I thought represented Shepard’s regret and pressure for saving the galaxy, but apparently it’s more signs of indoctrination. So…basically, did our whole unification of the galaxy amount to nothing? Did we save the krogan from the genophage? Did we unite the geth and the quarians? Or did none of this ever happened, and we were stuck on Earth from the very beginning?
first in i knew ud do a responce vid