Posted on: Friday, April 6th, 2012
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Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut DLC Discussion
Bioware has announced an Extended Cut to the Ending for Mass Effect 3 in direct response to the overwhelming amount of fan disappointment. I hate to be the one to say it, buy why do an Extended Cut if you are just going to expand on the ending we didnt like? I guess I should be grateful for it being free and providing more closure and explanation.I’m happy we pushed for it and ultimately won.
BioWare co-founder Ray Muyzka said the following regarding the Extended Cut:
Kotaku was able to clarify what is being offered even further. The Extended Cut will NOT introduce a different ending or add more endings instead it will provide more clarity and context for what the original ending offered:
“Much of the focus of the Extended Cut is to expand on the variety of consequences of player choices and degrees of success,” the spokesperson said, “so, with the new content, the player’s choices should result in a much more varied experience.”” -Bioware
Finally, Bioware confirmed that work on this DLC will delay other DLC content for ME3 that was already being made:
What do you think of the Extended Cut DLC? The content will be offered for Free until April 2014 and through Origin for PC Gamers.
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554 thoughts on “Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut DLC Discussion”
Best Case Scenario: It doesn’t come out at all because of some terrible miscalculation or natural disaster and they move on to other projects instead thus allowing this series to pass away with what little dignity it has left before EA milks it to all hell in the aftermath. EA Takes the loss and learns from the experience even if only to a small degree.
Worst Case Scenario: It comes out, placates some idiots, and then people continue to buy more garbage. EA will learn nothing from the experience (not that they would anyway as far as I’m concerned) and we’ll continue to get shit in the future.
Let EA Suffer the loss of this franchise dying from Fan outrage so they will up their act in the future (with a little luck) to provide us with innovative games rather than the same old bullshit.
Best Case Senario= Closure
Worst Case Senario= Shit blows up in sloooow motion
Best Case scenario = Indoctrination theory is correct and shepard, wrex and blato the hanar specter all riding elcor battle harbinger and we get good satisfying ending cinematics which do not have to be happy but a happy ending would be appreciated. ( I arguably like dark stuff more than happy stuff anyway )
Worst case scenario = They somehow make the ending worse and make less sense and they stand by the three “choices” that you made. This is the worst by far me primarily because the ending choices are not what mass effect series, or shepard stand for. The whole point of the series is to embrace and use the differences of the galaxy and not to destroy them. Even if you play as renegade shepard you still go through this it just comes off as more grudgingly and exploitative than paragon shep. The current endings betray 99% of what mass effect stands for in a more literal sense as well. By this I mean they take away player control and force something on us that angers most, depresses others, and satisfies only a few of their hard core fanbase which on top of that can not be in anyway circumvented or bypassed and is arguably the most crucial part of the series.
BEST ENDING (best for all): Indoctrination theory True, Shepard becomes Harbinger. Sets up for ME4 where you choices in 1-3 influence wither Shepard Fights with you or against you at the end when you fighting the Reaper Collective in Dark Space.
WORST ENDING: A year to and year and a half, we get a DLC that’s just a Text Crawl of why the ending is the way it is, and if we want more to buy ME4.
Don’t give the blame To EA and give a pass to Bioware. It’s the same company. Like Acti/Blizz. Don’t make that distinction. Because it doesn’t exist. EA = Bioware
EA = Publisher
Bioware = Developers
Completely different things.
No.
EA = second largest Games Publisher in the world
BioWare = A Division of EA
BioWare co-founders:
Dr. Ray Muzyka = Senior VP at EA / CEO BioWare Corp / Group General Manager of BioWare Label of Electronic Arts
Dr. Greg Zeschuk = VP at EA / Group Creative Officerof BioWare Label of Electronic Arts / General Manager at BioWare Austin
So technically, BioWare is EA, since it is fully owned by EA.
But if you want a fairer answer.
Best situation: That it will fill up the loopholes and clarify the endings, making them more variable instead of the Red, Blue and Green, like adding different scenes for each ending. I would also like to know more about the history of Catalyst, the godchild, he is a very interesting character in my opinion. That way it will at least ease the tensions.
Worst situation: It will only make things worse as it isn’t a full on change and will cause gamers to do even more outlandish and stupid things that will get attention of no gaming sites like CNN, Fox, and more, and may inadvertandly turn public opinion of the general population against the gamers because of the acts of quite a few bad apples.
lol I thought of worst case scenario future dlc titles
‘Rescue the Normandy from the Deserted Planet DLC’, ‘Rebuild the Relays DLC’, ‘Survive the Sol system without starving DLC’- Awesome, NOT!
Good, I’m glad they don’t change it. Yes, it’s a fucking bitter ending, but come on, not every game has a happy end, Mass Effect had so much trouble and disaster flying around, of course it will not be a completely happy end. And yes, if they extend upon it (explaining shit that we didn’t understand in the normal ending, like who the freck is the Star Gazer) then it’s absolutely fine with me.
No one wants happy ending, But ending that makes sense.
With the exception of the Star Gazer (and different colored explosions) it completely made sense to me.
That’s a pretty dumb cliam. It’s not about a “happy” or “sad” ending, it’s about making fucking sense, which it does not. There are great happy endings, there are great sad endings, and this is neither. Just because the hero dies in the end it doesn’t mean it’s ingenious. Heck, would a shit story be pure genius just because the protagonist dies in the end? It does not. It’s still guano.
BEST CASE: the indoctrination theory is true- and Shepard either wakes up as a husk (blue or green ending) or victorious (red ending)- if Sheppard is a husk she/he is killed by your romance squad mate- if Sheppard is victorious (red ending) you embrace your romance option and its a good ending- they could have extended cuts of the fleet winning the battle and the reapers fleeing- the God Child call himself ‘EA’ in the next scene
and laugh to himself that he either won or lost the battle of Sheppard’s mind and the war has just begun…
WORST CASE: the ending creates more plot holes- the crew of the Normandy is still stranded with no closure- they just have a few scenes which explain the relays can be rebuilt, the fleet won’t starve etc- but the Reapers fate or purpose isn’t explained fully and there is still no closure to the choices you made and the emotional investment in this game you made- I hope like you Joe that the indoctrination theory is true- I think the worst case scenario is where they go for quantity and not quality…
Good to seeya back Joe, although I am disappointed to see you yet again quick to give Bioware a pass and blame EA. EA is all about the bottom line and hitting deadlines, but Bioware enjoys large amounts of independence. I don’t think EA gives a hoot about the lore and writing of the game as long as it’s accessible. If you read the insider information a lot of the stuff we as player wanted was developed and the whole team wanted it, however the project leader and writer shut them down. That’s Hudson and Walters, not EA
Open ending? I just saw destruction, how can you …..build anything from those complete destruction endings??? ….there is no earth anymore…because even if it is saved………………………..there will be more krogans there!
Best case is we choose destroy only the r(EA)per not the geth and normandy pick up Shepard & everyone celebrate the victory, give player to see additional cinematic scene which is effect by ME 1 – ME 3 choices.
Worse Case – Remain uncharged only add on the Bullsh*t which is Bioware doing now.
Consider this is my final support to u Bioware & EA….u may rest in peace, future Mass Effect & Dragon Age Series
Best case scenario: They show scenes for each of my major war assets fighting battle, with minor war assets joining them, and a cut scene for each surviving squad member. Also, they show the mass relays being repaired, and give a good reason for the normandy flying away. changes to the logic for the god child
Worst case scenario: Basically the opposite of best case, few scene with war assets, just generic scenes the ones required to finish the game, no scenes for squad members, shit explanations for all the plot holes, no changes to the god child.
Best case scenario
No indoctrination but it turns out that Shepard has been unconscious since harbingers beam, he wakes up, kicks ass, and saves the galaxy the way he should have the first time.
Second best case scenario
We need,
a bit showing why Joker was leaving the system, and why he has your squad on board. If he rescues them mid battle then we need to see that.
a bit saying that the relay explosions are not killing everyone like the one in arrival did.
a bit explaining what the “God Child” is. I hate when SciFi and fantasy mix without a good explanation behind it. Why do you have power over things in the way that you do? Are you an actual God? Are you the citadel’s AI? Are you connected to the keeper species in some way? are you just choosing to appear as the child Shepard has been dreaming about, or are you connected to the dreams? Why are you giving me this choice? Especially when one of the choices involves killing you.
a bit showing Shepard dying if he dies, and living if he lives. People say that the only way for him to live is to choose to kill reapers and also have a decent EMS, but for all we know he survives every ending (in some form) and we just don’t get to see a gasping breath scene.
Fix what is broken before even thinking about adding to it.
Worst case scenario.
The opposite of above. Current content stays as it is (plot holes included), but with more scenes added to the end. That would be like asking for a plate of fish instead of a plate of crap. Then being given the crap again before someone uses a fish to slap you in the face saying, “but that’s what you asked for.”
BioWare employees are not stupid. They can see how bad it is as it stands. They just can’t say so publicly. Also scrapping and redoing the ending from scratch was never a viable possibility, as they can’t really invalidate content that is already in public use. The ending as it is just SHOULD NEVER BEEN RELEASED.
Best case: I hope it’s indoctrination!
Worst case: BIG MIDDLE FINGER TO THE PLAYER!
Just so you know this what I hope for but probably will not happen, except for one of them. YOU Decide!!! Control- Shepard takes over Legions body and the reapers become his bitches, war assests are shown, he makes the reapers repair the Mass Relays and planets, Romantic relationships with either Tali or Liara will produce Shepard’s child. Sythesis- Similar to control however long lasting peace between synthetics and organics due to more ways of communication. Renegade- Shepard lives and shares a couple of brewskies with Garrus on the beach looking at a dead dearalect reaper while holding either Tali or Liara’s pregnent stomach with a zoom in effect on the thier stomach stating that the new Mass Effect game would tell the story of Shepard’s child. And you know if he has a kid the kid will kick ass! Didn’t say Ashely because she is a total bitch. But a hot one at that. I’m sure you can agree with me on that.
Still would like the idea of Indoctrination Theory. Above is my wishfull alternative. Angry Joe and everyone else what do you think if they left it off with a zoom in on Tali or Liara’s stomach and it is bulging with a baby. Would that not be hoss.
I liked Ashley. Preferred her to Kaiden anyway. Then again it seems my Shepherd liked a project, he went for Space Racist Ashley in ME and all round messed up bird Jack in ME2.
atleast its free
Now, but it was going to be free?
Nobody feels that they keep stealing from Freespace?
I’ll wait and see what the DLC is all about and then start the fire. But is the last chance another failure and they’ll join my blacklist with capcom and ubi.
Gamers, Self Entittlement, and Artistic Integrity…
*So, if you don’t like the ending of a book, movie, or a video game, will you ask to change the ending???
This is one of the most used arguments by people who (it happens are the so called “experts”…and some gamers) defend the ME3 ending (please, note…I’m using ending…because no matter what, it just offers one…different colors and some tweaks…but one).
But let me differentiate books, movies, and video games from the ME series.
First, when I decide to buy or rent a book, the book comes with a synopsis of what it is about, and if I like the idea, I decide to read it. But, let’s clarify that the book doesn’t come or is not marketed with “promises”, or gives the future reader certain “expectations”. The same goes with movies, and some video games, what you buy, is what you get…..but nothing has been promised to the consumer but just pure entertainment. You just need to enjoy the ride….
The Mass Effect series were marketed as “your decisions will have certain weight on how the story develops, and will affect the END”…and that’s why the Mass Effect series were set apart from any other type of RPGs in the market, that was the MOST UNIQUE element of the game itself. And that is the reason why “I” as a consumer decided to follow the series, plus the books and comics.
My experience with the ME1 game, the way I treated the characters, who I decided to kill or save was different from your experience with the game. ME2 blow my mind!! The end showed me the consequences of my actions of the entire play, and I had a taste of how my decisions in the first game had a certain effect in ME2.
Now, here comes ME3, my questions, theories, and speculations will be answered!!!! AND!!! Over all!!!!!! I’ll see how all my decisions will play!……..
…………………..and you know how it played……………nothing…
Soo….do I ask to change the ending?
Yes! ….no…I’m not asking for another ending…I’m asking for the endingS that I, as a consumer and follower of the series, was PROMISED!
No book, movie, or video games has been market on this basis, just the ME series.
*Self-Entitlement
Do I, as a consumer, feel self-entitle? YES!
I’m self-entitle to get what I have been promised. If I go to a Chinese Restaurant, I expect to get Chinese food, not Italian! The same goes for the ME series, I was promised and given expectations (by the same developers), but those promises and expectations were not delivered. So yes, I do feel and I am self-entitle.
Would I be upset if I would have known from the beginning that the story was a linear one?
If the ME series would have been marketed that way, NOPE…..
I’ll be just like “All those cramps, just for a fart????” …and then I’ll go for the next game.
*Artistic Integrity
I do not understand the concept “artistic integrity” ….
But I do understand the concept of Marketing, and Business Integrity!!!!!
No problem, ME series were great games….great concepts…..they were enjoyable.
The end is just a horrible smelly fart…..but not the end of my life….
Though it did taught me to truly respect my wallet, there is no necessity for me to get a game as a brand new….I can wait till prices drop, and If I don’t like it, then I just don’t like it.
Isn’t the indoctrin theory suppose to justify things that happen in the endings? If so why any of those infomaions disproves the theory if both the DLC and the theory tie into the ending?
I’m sorry Joe but I have to disagree on 1 thing. The ending does not even show a glimmer as to how the Franchise can continue. All the relays are gone. What now? What’s there to continue? What? Have every race fight over earth for eternity now? I mean that’s all I can think of. Other than that I got nothing. All the relays are gone so there’s absolutely nothing to do.
As Joe said, we know that apparently it is very likely that the relays can be rebuilt before everyone starves.
The relays can (and will) be rebuilt, as it was said nobody will starve, depending on your ending everyone can survive. Now if you wiped out all AI.. that’s a bit more difficult, but I can definitely see an “Open-world space rpg”. Now let’s face it you click on a planet, and you go there. I would completely love a game where you even control your ship, explore the galaxy (interesting stuff in-between planets, pirate attacks, etc.), land on a planet/space station/whatever, and look around. Kind of like a bigger scale Skyrim in space theme
“Expanding on the DLC” COULD be the Indoc Theory. Their explanation and expansion on the endings could be just that. Explaining what caused the Endings or extending the ending beyond when Shepard wakes up.
EA still sucks, though.
Best ending? Mass Effect HERO. Just need my bag o’D6…
OK, joking aside…
Best ending: Actually, I wouldn’t mind something like the ending for Marvel Ultimate Alliance; ‘Because you did X, Y happens’ style. Kinda low budget, yes, but I could deal with that.
Worst ending? Harbinger downloads self into the Geth, after all the work you did bringing them and the Quarians together. Anyone know the How IT Should Have Ended people? THis sounds like their kind of work.
BCS: Shep wakes up in a crater on earth and normandy and crew actually fired off the weapon and won the day. The real hero of the series is JOKER who broke his finger hitting a button.
WCS: Synergy leads to the dominance of robosexuals and sexrobots and life as we know it ends.
There is something I was thinking about a lot lately. It is based on some assumptions that can be wrong tho.
Assumption 1: mass relays are linked together. If you enter one, you will exit at second.
=> that suggest that Citadel mass relay is linked to second citadel like relay somewhere in empty space between galaxies.
Assumption 2: all reapers were going for alpha relay first
=> that suggest that they were all going from one place. it makes no sense for a reaper to go all the way across galaxy just for this relay.
and both assumptions points towards some reaper main base.
So wouldn’t better ending be Shepard boarding Harbinger to get some access code, then retaking citadel and with victory fleet launching attack on reaper main base?
to offer more content on a galaxy that is no matter what…destroyed?????? no mass relays…..so…..people are screw….earth is screw…..and…….where is the open ending?? it is all …………gone!!! No more development from that!!!
No….there is no indoctrination theory…………
The third ending where Shepard “lives”……………sends everyone to the stone age!! ………….
Nice video as always Joe, but I do not see this “Extended Cut DLC” as a victory but what the corporate world calls a “faux olive branch:” Something to defuse a hostile situation by making the consumers think that you are giving them what they want when you are not. Bioware (and possibly EA above them) has not acknowledged that there are major problems with the ending (plot holes, bad writing, lack of player choice, etc.) or that it made no sense, or that they lied about multiple endings based on player choices over all three games. They have only acknowledged that “some” people had a problem with the ending and need further closure. The same PR pitch they have been issuing since this entire fracas began. I don’t fault you or Game Informer for you missinterpretations as that is what you are ment to read it as.
Although I applaud EA/Bioware for standing behind the artistic integrity of the writing team in how they choose to end the game, I do agree with you that it was most likely not written by the team but a single individual. This issue is not just about artistic integrity but corporate integrity. Video games are not just art but also a consumer product, something people buy and use. And when a company sells a defective product the consumer has the right to demand that they fix it. But I’m getting off track. The problem is that the EA/Bioware executives decided that in the company’s (and shareholder’s) best interests to not admit that they made a mistake and/or create new endings (plural). Instead they will explain the ending for those that didn’t get it.
Best case: They do adopt the indoctrination theory, and have a cinematic showing Sheppard getting up, entering the Citadel, activating the Crucible, and destroying the Reapers while the Normandy keeps Harbinger at bay. But Sheppard still dies at the end.
Realistic: THey stay the course and fill in the plot holes (now that we have pointed them out) with a few additional short scenes and voice over narration to explicitly explain what is happening. A scene showing the fleet rebuilding the mass relays from the scattered reaper parts, and a plausible explanation for how and why Joker picks up the rest of you squad and runs off.
Worst case: They stay the course trying to explain the plot holes, contradictions, and faulty logic, only to end up creating more plot holes, contradictions, and faulty logic. A few quick scenes showing your crew back on their home planets.
The sad thing is that Indoctrination Theory would have so perfectly solved all the problems, even if Bioware didn’t think of it originally. All they had to do was show up at PAX, sit down, lean into the mic and say: “Indoctrination.” Watch the crowd and the Internet go wild, release a quick DLC cinematic and go down in history for pulling off the biggest fake out in entertainment history. No one would have second guessed it.
They would have done that if the people at Bio-Ware and EA had 2 things. Brains and testicles.
Best case scenario: they dig Shepherd out of the rubble, relays damaged not destroyed, Normandy gets rescued, Shepherd rides off into the sunset with his /her love interest and EA and Bio-Ware somehow end up in a giant firery ball of napalm and urine.
Worst case scenario: Can it get any worst??? How about if they put the same amount of effort into this DLC as they did with the last ten minutes of ME3?
Joe please do a show addressing some of these plot holes:
In ME1 Vigil said that once the Reapers had control of the Citadel they had control of the mas relays, isolated the other civilizations and wiped them out. Why didn’t they use that same control to shut down at least the Sol relay and stop the galactic fleet?
Why didn’t the Reapers simply turn off the tractor beam leading to the Citadel once the ground forces were close?
Why wasn’t their any reaper forces INSIDE the Citadel?
Why were people being beamed up literally within walking distance, no limping distance, of the controls to open the Citadel arms.
If the Reapers didn’t want organics to create synthetics that will eventually destroy them, why not simply indoctrinate the primitive races they leave behind to not create synthetics?
Is it me or did a 9 year old write the ME3 ending?
Best case scenario?
People boycott something useful like Fifa and Madden where EA makes its money. The financial hurt will continue the financial spiral and result in EA losing significant market share.
Worst case?
People will still buy their products because ME is “just a dumb game, give me moar sports plz.” And EA will have no incentive to change anything.
I want a logical ending. None of the current endings make sense, nor do the choices that Shepard makes with the God Child. If this turns out to just be a big middle finger to everyone saying how shit the endings right now are, I’m never spending money on an EA game again.
get ready to stop giving Bio-Ware/EA your money.
Thanks for the video, Joe. Good to get several opinions outside of the Bioware forums about the ME3 ending issues. Also, I believe in the Indoctrination Theory too.
Just wanted to say thanks Joe for your video coverage of the whole ME3 debacle. It’s rather depressing and leaves a bad taste in my mouth – particularly the arrogant and haughty tone of the Extended Cut FAQ which personally, shows just how out of touch and condescending they are.
Personally, I have a couple of things to say: ‘Artistic Integrity’? Fine. But ‘integrity’ comes from Latin ‘Integer’ which means ‘whole’. Day One DLC and extending product life through content DLC does not indicate it is whole at time of launch so the vision is not complete thus far. Any defense behind ‘integrity’ is lost when the only whole it has is plot ‘wholes’.
The free DLC is obviously only a placatory effort to shut up fans and buy them time to let the hubbub die down. No more answers can or will be given and we’ll be trolled along with more ‘wait and see’ messages.
As for MP? Well, as you note, it’s voluntarily microtransaction based – again, so long as they can keep people playing and paying, they really don’t care. More free DLC is just a breadcrumb to keep people invested and involved. It makes me wince that by the time the extended edition does come out, I’ll have to replay the MP to get readiness up again before commencing the final run. It’s cheap and degrading and just smacks of being another cow lead in to the barn for my daily EA milking.
All in all, everything that has come from this is just a cynical ploy to keep people (read: consumers) interested. It’s just sad that now people are starting to resist we’re told we’re acting entitled (I paid the best part of $200 bucks, I have a right to an opinion) and just need ‘clarification’ of some idiots pretentions to art not resolution.
Wow. I was driving home with my son tonight and we were talking about video games and he asked me how Mass Effect 3 was. After telling him how bad the ending was I said, “Hopefully they just ran out of time before the release date and we would get the real ending as DLC.”
EA and Bioware just lost a customer. No DLC, no Dragon Age 3, no Mass Effect spin off games, no games from BioWare ever. Best case: It thrown together and sucks. Worse case: It sucks hard. I’ll watch the “expanded ending” on youtube or something. I hate you EA
Amen.
Oh shit I think I just cracked whats going to happen. Instead of just seeing three colors only once. They are going to give us the option to watch the entire ending in a red/blue/green wash! Clearly we were upset about the colors only being in the cinematics for one thing! That will sate the fans!
Bet something like that is in the EA play book.
I just want an ending that makes sense, why should they have to sit down an explain it to me? if i can’t figure it out, somethings not right.
Best Case: Just a moment before Shepards controls/kills/shitsthegiant beam he turns around and goes you know what fuck it. BOOM headshot.
Worst Case: I think the new endings will have even less sense take the time factor for example. There was just not enough time for Joker to get the squad out but he still managed to do so before the pile of shit blows up. Maybe they will go like yeah the explosion fucked with time.
On a serious note to Bioware and EA I think Bioware doesn’t deserve the hatred they have always made game I loved Bioshock 1+2 and Dragon Age: Origins were spot on.
Then EA came … its just thanks to the amazing skill of Bioware that Mass Effect 3 is still a great game, aside from the end that is clearly made to sell DLC and stuff.
It is unfortunate that there is no way to get rid of EA and get Bioware back on the drivers seat. Well guess I have to wait with purchases until reviews say its fine.
Just a correction:
2K and Irrational Games made BioShock
And you do have some truth, EA used to have a Soul and cared for the games they made… but it isnt the case anymore
You mean mass effect 1 and 2 not Bioshock right?
Best Case: Going off the indoctrination theory, Shepherd is dug up from the rubble after the battle for earth, All of the alien races successfully pushed back the reapers, and the crucible actually turned out to be a large cannon, which can destroy three or four reapers in one shot, plans are made to make multiple crucibles, and Shepherd is patched up and thrown back into action. I wanted to fight the reapers, I wanted to push them back from planet to planet and retake our galaxy. That was what I was excited for. And thats what I thought the turning point in the story would have been. Honestly if bio ware wanted to make dlc for this game, I think this would be a very good route to take it. Each DLC would deal with more systems that need support in pushing back the reapers, not all systems, as all the alien races combined should be able to hold their own in many systems along with the crucibles, but You could have a few systems to take back each dlc, providing the players with a good amount of missions and extra gear. Maybe they could even have a Reaper Boss Fight take place at the end of each dlc, but one important thing, bring back soveriegn, I love his character, and he makes for a great villian. Throughout each dlc leading up to the final battles, you could even bring back his antagonistic comments throughout battles with indocrinated enemies. As for Shepherds indoctrination… Easy. At the end of ME1, if you had enough Paragon, you could convince Saren to resist the reapers one last time before offing himself. Besides that, other indoctrinated individuals have been able to resist the reapers influence, why cant Shepherd? Especially if he found out that he was indoctrinated, He would have the most resistence against the reapers influence, this could also create some great sub plot for the DLC story, having Shepherds sqaud mates be a bit untrusting, and sometimes wary of his decisions, this could also bring back character loyalty missions to win back your squad mates. Im not saying they have lost all faith in Shepherd, but there would be a subtle lack of trust between you and them. One last thing I think Id touch upon while stating my opinion is how Everyone finds out Shepherd had been indoctrinated. After seeing blurry glimpses of his squadmates and himself being dug out of the rubble. He wakes up in a military hospital, and after getting his bearings, asks what happened to a nearby doctor, who explains his indoctrination. Boom, Free idea right there Bioware/EA, if you do this, or something similar, you will win back a majority of your fans, but only if you work hard on it.
Worst Case: Honestly Ill role with anything that avoids the relays being destroyed or atleast rebuilt. As much as I think my idea rocks, I know not everyone sees eye to eye and wants to see their Shepherd their own way, so as long as they do something along the lines of the general majority vote, Im good, other wise, Im afraid bioware wont do anything we wanted and just keep tryng to fix the wrong things.
Id also like to note I fucked up and mentioned soveriegn at one point, I would like to correct this mistake. I ment Harbinger. That is all.
great ideas. ten times better than what we did and will get unfortunately.
lolol @ people who hate EA and voted for it on the Consumerists for worst company. The same people who mindlessly bought EA’s games and will continue to buy them. Capcom is poop about stuff similar to this and every one already knows what they have done and most likely continue to do but how many people will actually boycott a game like RE6? I sure as hell know that I am going to get that on top of Dante’s Inferno 2 and Dead Space 3 (if it’s made.)
Best Case: This explains the plot holes or at least gives us a bitter sweet ending so that we may felt like we actually have accomplished something.
Worst Case: Either just leaves us with more questions and/or ends up still being ridiculously un-satisfying conclusion only to set way for more titles rather than simply finishing the arc and come up with new conflicts.
I do like the fact that this will be free, but I still don’t know if I’ll still hold on to my copy long enough since I didn’t for ME2 despite how much I liked it. Either way, I feel kinda of burnt out on Western RPGs at the moment, and all the sudden started having a JRPG craze right now, so maybe I’m going to just have to give this genre some space to recover.
Im glad that I havent played ME3, because I went to see what the ending is…
I REFUSE TO PLAY a game that leaves big plot-holes or cliffhangers… its just a kick in the balls.
I would know this because this has happened BEFORE..
Half Life 2: Episode 2
Remember that.. and its been 5 years and still no closure.
Anyway, the ME3 ending wouldn’t be shit.. if they did what they did in the first two games, having YOUR ACTIONS decide what content you get.. which made me want to play the last two over again. This crap that EA pulls.. or maybe BioWare is on this also (idk).. its NOT the way to make games.
But this practice will not die, you know why.. because uninformed people will keep on buying games by the same company b/c of the game series (ex: Need for Speed) and they know people will keep buying those. Worst company to do this is…. yep you guess correctly Activision and Call of Duty.
In my opinion, the only way BioWare can redeem themselves is to give EA the finger and tell them to fuck off, but it wont happen b/c EA will sue and keep the franchise names… kinda like what happened with Bungie and Microsoft.
Ill play ME3 when this DLC comes out.. until then PEACE!
Oh Yea forgot..
The only Best Case Scenario:
The DLC ACTUALLY TAKES YOUR decisions and gives you the options from what you did.. and IMO, should include a “Happy Ending”
Imagine if you never get to kill these people.. which made the games a satisfying experience:
Dr. Breen
Saren
343 Guilty Spark
Just imagine not getting the option to do those actions.. it WILL PISS YOU OFF!
Worst Case: Well this comment should say it
I’ve stopped buying Call of Duty for the same reasons.
Best case scenario: Indoc Theory is correct, but the ending is still open, wich would sugest an expansion. ( honestly, i dont see any other way of correcting this, with just cinematics, so thats my guess).
Worst case scenario: They will try to fill in the blanks and plotholes, and that will creat EVEN MORE plotholes.
@Soulprovider Good! I’m sick of seeing people sleep walk into the next sports game every year! Hope the next company actually changes things!
Whenever I deal with any work of fiction (game/movie/whatever) there’s a certain suspension of disbelief that you set to accept that this plot can happen in this setting. This ending just killed any of it. It was like a story of the Orient express crashing into an iceberg in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico. The very idea is so stupid and nonsensical that there is no way to rework this into something believable.
And I call BS on this artistic integrity crap. It’s just being used as an excuse for poor decision making.
i am having a hard time diciding if i should keep playing games by ea and bioware if they cant deliver on there on word
Hmm best case – shepard waking up and firing a cain rocket up harbringers ass which would weaken the reapers enough for the sword fleet to take out a massive number of them, and push them back into dark space. then sending the crucible which turns out to be a massive eezo unstabalizer through the citadel relay to the heart of the reapers operations and detonate., thus detonating their relay and finishing them off.
Worst case scenario, – just a few more cutscenes explaining how the normandy picked up shepards crew and why the normandy was fleeing the battle, and 4 powerpoint slides talking about how your teammates either died horribly or survived and disbanded to rebuild their respective worlds. and your choices won’t matter either way all that will matter is if the character survived.
Basically though this extended cut dlc was designed to take the fire out of the fans argument, its nothing by a PR move at best, Personally i’m beginning to this that all of this was done on purpose to get people to boycott EA.
Best case: Indoctrination theory
Worst case: anything else. I’m sorry but even if they give each character a 30 min long send off I will still be angry about the RGB ending because it goes not only against anything we’ve spent 120h fighting for but it simply goes against my personal set of morals and standards. Let’s see:
Green: peace is only possible if we are all identical and one. If we all conform to a certain mold, there will be unity
Red: peace is only possible if we destroy those who are different than us
Blue: peace is only temporary, if we try to achieve it and give our differences a chance in the end, it will destroy us all
Where is my rainbow “we are all different and that makes us wonderful” option? Where is my tree to hug???
not to mention it completely destroys the story of the first and second game.
I just don’t care anymore. The ending was a disaster. EA sucks. I want to believe Bioware isn’t all that bad, but with EA holding their leash it doesn’t really matter what Bioware says in the end. Just enjoy the other 95% of the game, enjoy the multiplayer (if you like it). A new game will come out soon and we can all focus on that.
unless your like me and hold a firm boycott on any and all EA titles from now on.
I thought about boycoting them, too. The fact is they do publish good games. I can’t hold every dev. responsible for EA. Plus I really want to play Dead Space 3.
that’s exactly what they want. the next game is going to be even worse. they’re not getting another red cent out of me personally.
Of course that is what they want. That is their business. It’s not some evil plot. My point was that; at worst they have these great devs. under their thumb, but thats no reason to punish them. A good game is a good game. Don’t stop yourself from enjoying it just because it is published by EA. You won’t hurt them any noticeable way (just depriving yourself of a good gaming experience).
You know what is really funny Joe? They are really proud of the mess they created and justify bad writing with artistic vision and if you, me or anyone else complains about it we have entitlement issues. The fanbase is for EA/ Bioware to toy with and there is nothing we can do about it. And they lived happily ever after. THE END.
For me, the best case would be that they do something along the lines of Dragon Age: Origins, where they give you text or spoken exposition on what became of the societies and characters after all the Relays were destroyed. And to be honest, that is what pissed me off the most about the ending. I could take the limited choices and the fact that Shepard will almost always die, but not to include that was just wrong and i guess worst case would be if they didn’t include something like that.
Actually, re. the ‘the ending had to have been written by one person/forced on them by EA bit’, rumor has it that the ending was written by Casey Hudson and Mac Walters and, unlike the rest of the game, wasn’t subject to a peer review from the rest of the writing team.
May or may not be true, but looking at the ending of the work of someone with protection from editors does make a frightening ammount of sense. Especially in light of this recent announcement.
Anyway, best case scenario: This announcement is them trolling us and they at least give us the option to go give the god child the middle finger or something.
Worst case scenario: The new footage consists of Casey Hudson, Mac Walters and John Ricitiello giving us all the finger as they swim in a sea of money.
I fully expect that at the end after the scene with the stargazer.