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IronicRobot

An open letter to Angry Joe regarding #GamerGate

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At this point, id suggest you think your posts through. Im clearly not here to get views, my posts have proven this as well as my body of work in the AJSA. You are free to believe as you wish and we can debate why you belive what you believe regarding joe commenting on #GamerGate civilly, as recovery and me were doing. Im going to do this, once so listen up.:

At this point you comments have turned into attacks and i feel you are crossing the line into disrespect. At the suggestion of another mod i will address you civily. 

Your first accusation, i addressed in the previous post (which you ignored, since it has this little thing called "evidence") . that was your first mistake.

Secondly, regarding this : Are you doing all this bullshit for the views? Also if you were trying to get that YouTube video of yours views by posting that here, then you posted in the wrong forum. This ridiculous post of yours in which you posted that long winded video should be in Community Content, not here.

My original post, the last half reads as follows:

The forum has been made with two purposes:

1- To get this video to Joe

2- For anyone who wants to chime in on the message to freely do so. 

I also know that since joe is all for free speach, and will defend even Sarkeesians right to voice her opinion by "fighting anyone on the street" that this forum post wont be locked or moved. 

a) I originally posted this in the "General Description" in a new form post, this forum, as reads the description is ment to "discuss anything and everything". 

B) this forum is ment to create discusion regarding #GamerGate and Joe, as the debate initially started. A mod deleted my forum and put this post in a preexsisting forum, were debate went fine, until you and legolas took what i said badly, and insted of doing you job, you mocked me and asked for an apology.

and this: "All you're doing is stirring up bullshit" i would thank you to address me respectfully.  if you disagree with my views i will gladly debate you.

For all this Mr Redjakk, i ask you to apologize to me, unless mods are above the rules? 

I will not apologize to you, neither will any other mod. You outright disrespected us thinking we're doing a cover-up. Instead of asking any number of the staff here that are available what was going on. Instead you voiced it publicly in an attempt to do what... who knows and who cares, I sure and hell don't. Respect is given to those who can be respectful in nature, you calling us out starting some tin-foil hat conspiracy is the most disrespectful thing you can do to the staff. So forgive us if we approach you in a sarcastic don't give a damn matter. At least that's how I'll approach you. Also you can't sit there and act like a civil being and puff out your chest when you decided to uncivilly call us out for hiding the views, when in fact you were wrong. Was I being crass with you yes, I gave a crass reply to a crass remark. Also you might want to read this http://angryjoeshow.com/ajsa/topic/16937-no-guarantee-joe-will-reply/. Really topics like this don't really deserve attention, this whole gamergate thing has been blown out of proportion, and giving it the amount of attention it has been getting is just giving those who so desperately crave the attention what they want. We just wish for our community not to be another cog in the machine, that's why we have things like no politics and such as a rule here in the AJSA community.

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/....Really topics like this don't really deserve attention, this whole gamergate thing has been blown out of proportion, and giving it the amount of attention it has been getting is just giving those who so desperately crave the attention what they want. We just wish for our community not to be another cog in the machine, that's why we have things like no politics and such as a rule here in the AJSA community.

Alright I don't speak for Variloh, but I just want to say that I personally appreciate that the AJSA has allowed discussion of GamerGate to continue for as long as it has when sites like reddit and even 4chan have backed off it. But please don't end the entire conversation on GamerGate because of one person. That thread has managed to remain on point and civil.

Thank you.

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Alright I don't speak for Variloh, but I just want to say that I personally appreciate that the AJSA has allowed discussion of GamerGate to continue for as long as it has when sites like reddit and even 4chan have backed off it. But please don't end the entire conversation on GamerGate because of one person. That thread has managed to remain on point and civil.

Thank you.

Who is this one person you speak of? and i agree, this discussion NEEDS to happen, this is not some political thing, its about gaming, anyone who says otherwise needs to do research. 

Back on topic: 

I came to AJSA to discuss this because among the sea of anger, this was an oasis. This community represents fighting against all that is wrong, i have had great debates on Gamer Mind with members of this community and is why i always stop here first. II enjoy debating all plp, those who agree, disagree or are neutral. I also believe joe is not above criticisms and even tho he may never see ours posts or our videos, maybe the message will get to him. Hell, in my opinion he is an example of  "stand u for what you believe in". regarding joe and GamerGate i strongly believe he is a leader in the gaming world, a voice, and the fact this community has rallyed so many cool plp proves that. He can make a difference if he really wants to.  

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You can keep talking about this GamersGate bollocks if you want but you won't discuss the idea that members of the AJSA staff are trying to manipulate forum views, posts and topics for some form of unknown agenda. If the topic was displaying 0 views I don't have a clue why and expect I won't find an answer. It's just one of those things. I want to consider this resolved, if you disagree you can send me a PM.

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You can keep talking about this GamersGate bollocks if you want but you won't discuss the idea that members of the AJSA staff are trying to manipulate forum views, posts and topics for some form of unknown agenda. If the topic was displaying 0 views I don't have a clue why and expect I won't find an answer. It's just one of those things. I want to consider this resolved, if you disagree you can send me a PM.

I did not discuss the idea that anyone was manipulating anything. Stop putting words into my mouth and read what i wrote, and its not an "if" i posted the pic. i have no problem moving this discusion to a pm but i will not allow plp to put words into my mouth. 

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I think we need some timeout.

Variloh: Not being an IT, nor a mod badge to my name, I know why the thread marks 0 views in the GD subforum and it doesn't register replies.
Although, I don't know why it marks IronicRobot as the one who started the thread.
Simply, it's because it was moved.

When the thread was moved to the "Offtopic" subforum, it left a "ghost thread" in the GD one, which just serves as a link to where the real thread is.
It has happened to each threar that has been moved. It's now BBC works. There's no conspiracy.
 

@Variloh  Honestly dude I don't see why you need another person's opinion to feel as though things are alright in the neighborhood. If he doesn't want to talk about the bullshit, then he doesn't want to talk about it. I think it's pretty damn obvious the guy knows and has heard about it already. However if he feels whatever he's feels as to why he hasn't said anything yet is entirely up to him. All you're doing is stirring up bullshit, and being a gossiping hen. Are you doing all this bullshit for the views? Also if you were trying to get that YouTube video of yours views by posting that here, then you posted in the wrong forum. This ridiculous post of yours in which you posted that long winded video should be in Community Content, not here.

Now, I have been a moderator elsewhere, and I've messed up while on that position, so I know how troublesome it becomes when those charged with keeping the talk civil and focused forget that the common users depend on them for the forums to feel welcoming.
Bolded the part I find unsettling in the post.
By judging Variloh's behavior and comments we'll just make it all worse. If we want to defuse situations, we should be picky about our words.

And Variloh.... man.... relájate.
If Joe doesn't make a vid about it, it's his choice.
TB did. Joe Sterling did. You did.
Pushing the issue just makes you look pushy.

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I think we need some timeout.

Variloh: Not being an IT, nor a mod badge to my name, I know why the thread marks 0 views in the GD subforum and it doesn't register replies.

Although, I don't know why it marks IronicRobot as the one who started the thread.

Simply, it's because it was moved.

When the thread was moved to the "Offtopic" subforum, it left a "ghost thread" in the GD one, which just serves as a link to where the real thread is.

It has happened to each threar that has been moved. It's now BBC works. There's no conspiracy.

 

Now, I have been a moderator elsewhere, and I've messed up while on that position, so I know how troublesome it becomes when those charged with keeping the talk civil and focused forget that the common users depend on them for the forums to feel welcoming.

Bolded the part I find unsettling in the post.

By judging Variloh's behavior and comments we'll just make it all worse. If we want to defuse situations, we should be picky about our words.

And Variloh.... man.... relájate.

If Joe doesn't make a vid about it, it's his choice.

TB did. Joe Sterling did. You did.

Pushing the issue just makes you look pushy.

yeah i figured it out when another mod finally told me the thread was deleted and my post was moved to another thread. it also happend cause it was moved to a subcategory for what ive been able to see. What you just did, the answer, thats what mods should do, 100 % agree. 

The problem could of been avoided if that answer was given the first time i asked. 

The only thing i resent is having an idea tacked on to me. Anyone who knows me knows i stand to my guns and am direct about things, i dont weasel around, my vids are proof. if i thought there was a conspiracy, id say it straight up. Heck i made a vid about joe and posted it in his community! I expressed myself wrong and was not my intention to imply anything (i have already said this tho). Believe me, if i thought there was a conspiracy, and had proof, there would be either a forum post directly stating it or a vid xD . 

Now back to topic: Regarding the "pushing joe" part, i dont need him to make a vid, as you said thats his choice. I do believe he should ad least say "i will not get involved with #GamerGate because X" or something. not save it for a controversies vid. Thats just my opinion as ive said and defended, its a big issue and its clearly important to his own comunity (look at GG thread, its the biggest one around! bigger then the ones he himself posted in i believe!(rules and such)) 

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I agree a teabagging batman is a pretty antagonizing response but otherwise i think you are overreacting variloh. Have you considered that some people may in fact honestly think you were fishing for views? It doesnt matter if its true or not, it is a reasonable thing to suspect. Last they never accused you of it any more than you insinuated there was a dark conspiracy, seems about equal to me minus the part where you afe demanding apologies and are acusing people of neglecting their job. I have to say you are most certainly being the more offensive entity here IMO.

You constantly say that if someone disagrees thats ok. I think you even said "you can say im an asshole, thats ok"... Well based on how you react to some dude asking you if you are doing this for views, you call them children who arent doing their jobs and demand an apology. I personally am not accusing you of such things, but i wont lie, I DO suspect it given you seem to never post on these forums unless its a video of yours or response of a video of yours, i feel like there is a good chance you use this community just as an advertisement for your own videos. Now im not saying thats true, just that i suspect it, and if you cant admit that its ok for people to simply suspect such things, than you arent being truthful about how open to criticism you claim to be.

I also notice you claim joe is "slapping fans in the face", that too doesnt seem like a very open minded stance IMO. Your own opinions are pretty reasonable even if i don agree with them all but making opposing ciews out to be people who dont do their job and/or slapping fans in the face hurts your credibility.

Im not trying to tell you are flat out wrong or are an ass or whatever, but I think you are the one most responsible for accellerating the current debate and its not accellerating in a good direction.

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I agree a teabagging batman is a pretty antagonizing response but otherwise i think you are overreacting variloh. Have you considered that some people may in fact honestly think you were fishing for views? It doesnt matter if its true or not, it is a reasonable thing to suspect. Last they never accused you of it any more than you insinuated there was a dark conspiracy, seems about equal to me minus the part where you afe demanding apologies and are acusing people of neglecting their job. I have to say you are most certainly being the more offensive entity here IMO.

You constantly say that if someone disagrees thats ok. I think you even said "you can say im an asshole, thats ok"... Well based on how you react to some dude asking you if you are doing this for views, you call them children who arent doing their jobs and demand an apology. I personally am not accusing you of such things, but i wont lie, I DO suspect it given you seem to never post on these forums unless its a video of yours or response of a video of yours, i feel like there is a good chance you use this community just as an advertisement for your own videos. Now im not saying thats true, just that i suspect it, and if you cant admit that its ok for people to simply suspect such things, than you arent being truthful about how open to criticism you claim to be.

I also notice you claim joe is "slapping fans in the face", that too doesnt seem like a very open minded stance IMO. Your own opinions are pretty reasonable even if i don agree with them all but making opposing ciews out to be people who dont do their job and/or slapping fans in the face hurts your credibility.

Im not trying to tell you are flat out wrong or are an ass or whatever, but I think you are the one most responsible for accellerating the current debate and its not accellerating in a good direction.

I will respond to this since a big part moves away from the actual conflict but all future coments please send them to me via PM. id love to respond publicly but if this keeps getting off topic i have been told it will be locked and it does a diservice to the original point of this forum: #gamerGate and angry joe.

Let me dissect this to better address you.

First off i say:  "you can say im an asshole, thats ok".in most of my vids, that is correct. however, context is key: i say you can do so in the comments of said video if you dont like my opinion. that doesn't mean its ok to call me an asshole if you meat me on the street because "you said i could!" xD .

Now the apology thing, granted i got heated, il explain that in a second, but it was  basicly a response to his "can we get a sorry?" in his first post, as i said, i wasnt suggesting a conspiracy theory, and nobody bothered ask. it was basicly "HE MEANS THIS, FIRE AT WILL BOYS!" . i went from asking a legitimite question to having to go into defense mode in one post. 

Telling plp to do there jobs: well, nobody answered my Mod question and instead, well you saw. Is this not justified? i also called them children specificly because of the batman post. i stand by it

Fishing for views: i would suggest you go into my content (click my profile) you will inmidietly notice some stuff: one, i dont only post on/about my vids. Two, ive been here for 1 year, my channel is 2 mouths old. Three: i have been involved in the Dota 2 community. a lot. 4) my twitch channel and Gamer Mind season 0 was dedicated to AJSA where i would promote the community.  5) Even on my youtube channel i constantly do shoutouts. 6) the videos in question, are relevant to the topic. im guilty of being lazy and not wanting to write that which i said. 7) See full disclosure post in this forum

Any aditional concerns feel free to m me. ITs good to be on the look out for shilling so for that i applaud you. 

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the evidence, pictures taken today and on the day i made the post are in the following link.

The reason those two threads (this one and the roll20 thread) are showing 0 views is because we moved them. Variloh you've had a thread of yours moved before, I just had it moved back for you a week or two ago. When you click on a a moved thread that is still showing up in the old forum it was in you are taken to the new forum that the thread was moved to. That is why both of those threads have that left pointing arrow icon to the left of their names, because they have been moved to a new forum. Someone moved this thread from General to AngryJoeShow, and I moved roll20 from General to Off Topic. The reason the threads are not getting a view count or being moved up in the general section, is because they are no longer in the general section, they are in AngryJoeShow and Off Topic.

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The reason those two threads (this one and the roll20 thread) are showing 0 views is because we moved them. Variloh you've had a thread of yours moved before, I just had it moved back for you a week or two ago. When you click on a a moved thread that is still showing up in the old forum it was in you are taken to the new forum that the thread was moved to. That is why both of those threads have that left pointing arrow icon to the left of their names, because they have been moved to a new forum. Someone moved this thread from General to AngryJoeShow, and I moved roll20 from General to Off Topic. The reason the threads are not getting a view count or being moved up in the general section, is because they are no longer in the general section, they are in AngryJoeShow and Off Topic.

This should of been the initial answer. simple clean and to the point. Not making speculation ,or accusing me of things i never said, or taking a shot at #GamerGate. 

As i already said, this all could have been avoided if i would have been asked what i was talked about instead of ridiculed. Initial response is key. Next time i will make sure to add evidence in first post, i was expecting to be contacted and thats why i saved it  for private discussion but i guess plp are jumpy. noted. 

No hard feelings on my part (as long as people drop speculating and putting words in my mouth) so lets move on.

@Sol Omega

regarding this: "Either way, he's better off not touching it. If he does, he'll probably state his opinion in the most neutral way possible. Like he did with Anita in his Top 10 controversies."

im not alone when i say that the way he handled anita was far from neutral. acceptable at the time but not neutral. 

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