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Sol Omega

Unicef's video game idea

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First things first:

This video is not intended as a comment or attack on the gaming community.

 

 

 

What do you guys think of their presentation?

My personal take:

 

I think they could've and should've done a better job instead of relying on shock value and pretentiousness if they wanted people to stick around and listen to their REAL pitch. It feels like that they didn't understand that video games have dealt with mature themes before, so when they introduced their game idea as new and edgy and dark and never-been-done-before with a BIG OL' SMILE, it makes feel that they're insulting me. It was overly clear (despite the name of the video) that the speaker was disingenuous. 

 

And then they ass-pull a "lol j/k it's just raising awareness for the poor children in South Sudan." Which, really completes the full circle of condescending pretentiousness. By that time, I was pretty pissed at them, and really couldn't care less what their original intention was. This is how you DON'T raise awareness and gather support.

 

Also, not sure if this matters, but they renamed the title of the video from "Our video game idea that caused a walkout" to "THE video game idea that caused a walkout."

 

Now to top it off, despite their little disclaimer (see above quote), it feels like it paints gamers as totally ignorant and uncaring of real world tragedies and feeds off the stigmas and misconceptions of gamers to fuel their own agenda. Add in events such as GamerGate, it just makes things worse, and make Unicef itself look totally ignorant and uncaring.

 

They could've done a much better job in raising awareness than this. In all honesty, if they were straight up about their intentions (raising awareness for the children of South Sudan), I'll bet those people would've stayed. I'll even bet money if they were open about their intentions from the get-go AND were serious about the game, those people would've sure as fuck stayed.

I mean, look at This War of Mine for example. We've had a thread or two dedicated to describe how cool that game was. I just went on the Steam Page, and the reviews are "overwhelmingly positive," a feat that's hard to keep. And it's not "360 no scoping dank memeing dayum son skrillex xXXquickscoper420XXx." It's about the dark and gritty reality of war.

 

But the part that squeezes my titties, is that they just duped a bunch of people just trying to enjoy themselves at a convention. Shitting all over their fun for no other reason than using them as tools for their publicity stunt. Who does that? You don't guilt trip people into helping your cause. I understand that to raise awareness, there needs to be some reality check-age, but come on. There's better ways in doing so than that.

 

tl;dr

The bait and switch set up publicity ad that fell on its ass. Could've done a better job. Could've used the money else where. Could've actually been serious about making a game like that (minus the big ol' smile). It could've just been better.

 

Well, my privileged and messy rant is over.

 

 

 

If you want to learn more and donate to help the children of South Sudan, here are some places other than Unicef.

UNHCR, WFP, Mercy Corps, and Save The Children.

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I think a line that's telling is "What is too much for a videogame?"

 

To that I say, What is too much for a book? Or a film? Or any other medium? I gather the impression that they really don't understand that games as an art form can and have tackled mature themes. They appear to assume a lot about the medium and it makes them seem very ignorant of it in my opinion.

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I think a line that's telling is "What is too much for a videogame?"

 

To that I say, What is too much for a book? Or a film? Or any other medium? I gather the impression that they really don't understand that games as an art form can and have tackled mature themes. They appear to assume a lot about the medium and it makes them seem very ignorant of it in my opinion.

They failed to take into account that David Cage exists. If anyone could make a game like that work, it would be that dude.

 

I see this as a case of "Good idea / intention, poor execution".

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They failed to take into account that David Cage exists. If anyone could make a game like that work, it would be that dude.

 

I feel obligated to reply to this.

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They failed to take into account that David Cage exists. If anyone could make a game like that work, it would be that dude.

I see this as a case of "Good idea / intention, poor execution".

As do I.

As for David, I think that TOO would be a case of "Good idea, poor execution."

 

 

I feel obligated to reply to this.

 

Why? You're not David Cage.

Huehuehuehue

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As for David, I think that TOO would be a case of "Good idea, poor execution."

Depends on how he handles it and how far he goes to show things.

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On the child awareness issue.... I find the shock value of this wasted as people starts walking out.

If they did the same with movies and books, it would be a really interesting multi-focus campaign, but I doubt they'll move beyond this single ad.

On the game side....

I picture the game being as harsh as This War of Mine. But even more personal and gritty.

Will you resort to prostitution? Will you steal? Will you enter a criminal gang to compensate the violence you're presented against? Will you kill for food? Of course, any graphic content should be extremely well presented. Making this an excuse for underage porn would only demerit the message of the game.

Also, we've had something simmilar, although a lot less gritty, in the Telltale zombie game. The protagonist is a girl, and you can choose to kill or steal to survive.

But I fear the society in general and the gaming one in particular would not take such a game well.

Hatred has created so much controversy without children or sex involved.....

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Honestly, I don't know if this is something to be prideful about, or outraged about...

Why did they do this all surprise-sneak-attack like to a gaming convention? Do they feel that they would be the most receptive and compassionate? Or did they feel that gamers needed to be taught how to empathize the most? If they did it because they trusted gamers to take it better than other forms of media, I accept it. But if they were like "hurr we need to make this a game because that's the only way those plebs will understand" fuck them.

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The problem with this as a game instead of a movie or a book is the simple fact that this is an interactive medium. It is set apart from the others not in the sense as a different thing entirely, but that it's explored in a different way. In a game we can be more attached to our character because it's not putting ourselves in their shoes like a different medium, it's us as that person we see on the screen. I remember hearing it said that "the player and the character are one and the same." If our character dies, it means we failed in some aspect. If they die in a movie, we had nothing to do with that.

Thus the ordeals that would be presented in the game would have a deeper impact than a different form of medium in my opinion. If a game like they described was released and done well, I personally wouldn't want to get it. Not for it "crossing the line" or being "radical" or anything like that mind you. But I wouldn't personally enjoy playing that scenario. I play games for fun most times, not to watch child suffering.

It's a difficult subject to be sure. I'm not certain of even the proper words to use without being disrespectful in some way so I'll stop here.

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urgh, I understand there point and they need help but it was a bad way of doing it. This video reminds me of the charity muggers on the street who are you're super best friend and then unleash pictures of dead babies and a direct debit form on you.

I want to help and things to change but all they are doing with this type of, i don't know media or advertising??? is annoy me!

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Honestly, I don't know if this is something to be prideful about, or outraged about...

Why did they do this all surprise-sneak-attack like to a gaming convention? Do they feel that they would be the most receptive and compassionate? Or did they feel that gamers needed to be taught how to empathize the most? If they did it because they trusted gamers to take it better than other forms of media, I accept it. But if they were like "hurr we need to make this a game because that's the only way those plebs will understand" fuck them.

I don't think they targeted games because they thought gamers would be insensitive or gaming to be dehumanizing.

They targeted games because they target whatever they can.

Have you seen the other campaigns against child abuse and slavery and forced prostitution? They all follow simmilar scripts, presenting innocent stories that slowly and progressively turn into dark nightmares and end with a "This many people live this in the world right now. Do something about it." message.

Still, it reminded me of a "game" called Real Lives, where you get randomly sorted into a human and make ONE CHOICE PER YEAR. Being born in certain places virtually spells doom on you and your family, and it's easier to be poor than rich, and to be lonely than establishing a family.

I disliked the interface and some mechanics, but some of the stories are almost like the one in this vid.

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Not that those issues aren't important or anything, but if I was at a gaming convention and I had limited time on what I can do, I'd be a bit angered that I got duped.

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