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Gabe Newell on VR exclusives: They're bad for everyone

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Whole article: http://www.pcgamer.com/gabe-newell-on-vr-exclusives-theyre-bad-for-everyone/?utm_content=buffer09af2&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=buffer_pcgamer

 

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“We don't think exclusives are a good idea for consumers or developers. There's a separate issue which is risk. On any given project, you need to think about how much risk to take on. There are a lot of different forms of risk—financial risk, design risk, schedule risk, organizational risk, IP risk, etc...

 

Also in short for anyone who is too lazy to read, Occulus offers money to game developers to make games for VR. There was a thread on Reddit that they offered money to Croteam (creators of Serious Sam series and few more titles), but Croteam apparently refused the offer.  Oculus wanted to accelerate the development of Serious Sam: Last Hope VR game, but in return, Croteam would have to  launch the game exculusively on the Vive story for some time. Even tho they made the game for VR, they haven't in the end accepted the offer as the game is coming to Steam Early Access this summer and no where else before that. WP Croteam, I'm proud (they are in my country) :P

 

So basically Oculus "offers" money to developers to make VR games, but in return they have to make them exclusive to the Vive store. Smells a bit like corporate's shit to me. In Serious Sam case, the game didn't stop the creation of Serious Sam 4 which is in development and the VR game was just a small side project and isn't exclusive for Vive. 

 

Anyway what's your thought on Oculus approaching developers with money and telling them to make games exclusive for VR for a time and on Gabe's position on it? 

Personally I think it's shit and looks like they wanna expand a bit too desperately.

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I've got no problem with exclusives, they are needed to keep a fair and competitive market. The stupidly in this case is nobody really knows if VR is really going to take of and be a big hit with consumers.

 

Obviously they are trying to get people buy the hardware and I get that.  Pushing this hard for exclusive content however, when they are effectively the same platform while the potential market is yet unproven is not smart.  It like a developer and/or publisher making a deal with NVidea so that their games only work on their GPU'S, It's just going to make people more hesitant.

 

It makes sense for Playstation VR to do this since that is a different platform but not here.

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I don't have any problem with them paying for exclusives, that's the whole reason some games are able to be funded, and doing so might be the only reason why a developer is able to make the game. VR is still a hard sell for most people, and many more won't even be able to use it, so splitting up the market is probably not a good long term plan though, and will likely hurt all of them in the long run.

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On 6/17/2016 at 9:17 AM, Legolas_Katarn said:

I don't have any problem with them paying for exclusives, that's the whole reason some games are able to be funded, and doing so might be the only reason why a developer is able to make the game. VR is still a hard sell for most people, and many more won't even be able to use it, so splitting up the market is probably not a good long term plan though, and will likely hurt all of them in the long run.

Yup, I said that Day 1. My tweet says it all:

 

"If E3:2016 taught us anything, it's that VR is going to boom in the adult industry and gaming will take a backseat"

-RainAkoni

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Yeap pretty much. I see VR advancing more in porn games and porn industry than it is in game industry.

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44 minutes ago, Apex Spartan said:

Yeap pretty much. I see VR advancing more in porn games and porn industry than it is in game industry.

 

Couldn't agree with you less for 3 reasons:

 

1:  None of the major players (Oculus, HTC, Sony) want to be associated with that business.  The only way the porn industry to release is through unofficial third party support, which brings us neatly onto problem number 2.

 

2:  It's Niche, the modern porn industry makes almost all it's money through advertising revenue rather than direct sales.  So how the hell are they gonna make that revenue for a platform that (at least for a while) not many people will own?

 

3:  The very idea of VR porn is scary as hell!   It's freaky enough in HD!  Is there is as much demand for this as media outlet for porn as there is for gaming?  Are people gonna spend hundreds of dollars plus subscription fees to jack off when they could just to any freebie streaming site?..... Hell fuckin no!

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7 minutes ago, Crazycrab said:

 

Couldn't agree with you less for 3 reasons:

 

1:  None of the major players (Oculus, HTC, Sony) want to be associated with that business.  The only way the porn industry to release is through unofficial third party support, which brings us neatly onto problem number 2.

 

2:  It's Niche, the modern porn industry makes almost all it's money through advertising revenue rather than direct sales.  So how the hell are they gonna make that revenue for a platform that (at least for a while) not many people will own?

 

3:  The very idea of VR porn is scary as hell!   It's freaky enough in HD!  Is there is as much demand for this as media outlet for porn as there is for gaming....  Hell fuckin no!

 

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49 minutes ago, Crazycrab said:

 

Couldn't agree with you less for 3 reasons:

 

1:  None of the major players (Oculus, HTC, Sony) want to be associated with that business.  The only way the porn industry to release is through unofficial third party support, which brings us neatly onto problem number 2.

 

2:  It's Niche, the modern porn industry makes almost all it's money through advertising revenue rather than direct sales.  So how the hell are they gonna make that revenue for a platform that (at least for a while) not many people will own?

 

3:  The very idea of VR porn is scary as hell!   It's freaky enough in HD!  Is there is as much demand for this as media outlet for porn as there is for gaming?  Are people gonna spend hundreds of dollars plus subscription fees to jack off when they could just to any freebie streaming site?..... Hell fuckin no!

None of the 3 companies is being associated directly, but it's all having lots of indirect impact. Just look how much VR has taken porn forward right now since the VR hype and it's still growing at a creepy rate. You would be surprised at how fast VR porn is growing right now and Oculus, while does not support X-rated content, it can still have them and they have no restirctions for it so far. Meaning there is and will be X-rated content there.

 

Oculus, HTC etc might not be directly assosicated in that business, but that don't mean they will not profit idirectly nonetheless. Naughty America and several of these porn companies or whatever they already said their VR downloads and porn production grow each month and expect around 10 to 20 million users watching VR porn, as their numbers for now are reaching that point each month.

 

There is tons of  VR porns already being made and have been made last 1-2 years and are growing in popularity. Don't underestimate the porn industry even a bit. Just look at the statistics and look at VR porn grow rate right now and look at it's production, it's growing INSANELY. From 360 videos that you can already watch now with VR to actual experience of VR + creepy sex toys being developed for this experience together with VR. VR technology in the porn industry is going quicker than in gaming industry atm because it's easier to just film for VR and then publish it then make an entire game which takes a year or more.

 

Porn industry has been targeting at VR for more than just a year now and they expect that to be the next peak for porn, just like it is expected to be for gaming, except it has more chances for porn since it's a lot easier to make.

 

And your 3rd point is the point that counters your own points. Why is HD porn creepy? People who watch porn want it to be as  good looking as possible and VR techology is getting closer to that goal than anything ever before and that's exactly the reason VR porn is ALREADY booming like crazy and their records are already expected to go insane, while VR technology in gaming is still going slower and nobody is crazy hyped about it yet, as you can see and for many developers it's still a new ground. Filming for VR porn is a lot easier to do than making a game on it, which already makes it easier for VR adult category to suprass gaming for now. Too many people watch porn, more than probably people on earth play video games. Porn industry is insane, don't underestimate it.

 

Porn industry is going to be and already is a MASSIVE pusher and motivator for VR.

Here is how much porn had impact on other industries and technology and why it's a big motivator for that:

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-porn-drives-innovation-in-tech-2013-7

 

 

Here is just a few articles on it:

1. http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/19/virtual-reality-porns-next-tech-breakthrough.html

2. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-the-future-of-virtual-reality-depends-on-porn-2015-07-15

3. http://mashable.com/2016/01/08/naughty-america-vr-porn-experience/#KIaFfgSjwmqV

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Apex Spartan said:

None of the 3 companies is being associated directly, but it's all having lots of indirect impact. Just look how much VR has taken porn forward right now since the VR hype and it's still growing at a creepy rate. You would be surprised at how fast VR porn is growing right now and Oculus, while does not support X-rated content, it can still have them and they have no restirctions for it so far. Meaning there is and will be X-rated content there.

 

How the hell has VR taken porn forward exactly?  The only way to experience it right now is with a compatible VR web browser through a BS smartphone VR set or via the already mentioned expensive PC/Console hardware.  Even then there is barley any content outside of cheap 3D type effects.

 

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Oculus, HTC etc might not be directly assosicated in that business, but that don't mean they will not profit idirectly nonetheless. Naughty America and several of these porn companies or whatever they already said their VR downloads and porn production grow each month and expect around 10 to 20 million users watching VR porn, as their numbers for now are reaching that point each month.

 

Yeah,  not only is 10-20 milion of a GLOBAL market tiny, but the majority of those people compose of consumers of crap like this:

 

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please try to re-trace the last point when you had a grip on reality.

 

2 hours ago, Apex Spartan said:

Porn industry has been targeting at VR for more than just a year now and they expect that to be the next peak for porn, just like it is expected to be for gaming, except it has more chances for porn since it's a lot easier to make.

 

And your 3rd point is the point that counters your own points. Why is HD porn creepy? People who watch porn want it to be as  good looking as possible and VR techology is getting closer to that goal than anything ever before and that's exactly the reason VR porn is ALREADY booming like crazy and their records are already expected to go insane, while VR technology in gaming is still going slower and nobody is crazy hyped about it yet, as you can see and for many developers it's still a new ground. Filming for VR porn is a lot easier to do than making a game on it, which already makes it easier for VR adult category to suprass gaming for now. Too many people watch porn, more than probably people on earth play video games. Porn industry is insane, don't underestimate it.

 

Porn industry is going to be and already is a MASSIVE pusher and motivator for VR.

Here is how much porn had impact on other industries and technology and why it's a big motivator for that:

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-porn-drives-innovation-in-tech-2013-7

 

 

Here is just a few articles on it:

1. http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/19/virtual-reality-porns-next-tech-breakthrough.html

2. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-the-future-of-virtual-reality-depends-on-porn-2015-07-15

3. http://mashable.com/2016/01/08/naughty-america-vr-porn-experience/#KIaFfgSjwmqV

 

 

 

 

Well of course industry insiders, wether they be porn or tech are going to talk it up!  here is the facts, nobody outside of those who are totally obsessed are going to buy a $600 -$800 piece of equipment to watch porn alone and that is a fact.  They will do it for the unique media and gaming experiences that it offers.

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I just find it hilarious you guys are so passionately debating this trying to disprove each others "expertise" in hilarious ignorance over how this is making you both look.

 

"Listen you, I KNOW my porn, I've studied and researched this extensively both professionally and in my free time and I know that you are wrong!"

 

I'm sorry, it's not my intention to insult anyone, but as soon as people have a serious discussion about porn I can't help but find the funny in it.

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8 minutes ago, Shagger said:

I just find it hilarious you guys are so passionately debating this trying to disprove each others "expertise" in hilarious ignorance over how this is making you both look.

 

"Listen you, I KNOW my porn, I've studied and researched this extensively both professionally and in my free time and I know that you are wrong!

Mate, I put out facts and links for you to read and statistics to at least back up some of the things I said. All you did is things you think are right and call it facts. I end my argument here.

 

If you compare those 10-20 millions users that you call a tiny market, it's much larger than it is in gaming industry. You think there will be 10 or 20 million gamers playing and enjoying these early VR games that much? I highly doubt it. It's POSSIBLE, but I still doubt it.

19 minutes ago, Crazycrab said:

 

How the hell has VR taken porn forward exactly?  The only way to experience it right now is with a compatible VR web browser through a BS smartphone

Reading this either means you didn't read my post or fully understand anything I said.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Shagger said:

I just find it hilarious you guys are so passionately debating this trying to disprove each others "expertise" in hilarious ignorance over how this is making you both look.

 

"Listen you, I KNOW my porn, I've studied and researched this extensively both professionally and in my free time and I know that you are wrong!

 

Not too hard to use Google and also follow tech releated sites which actually talked about how VR impacts both industries and how much it's (sadly) also working out really well in the porn industry. Both gaming and porn industry will earn greatly from VR, but my whole point is that porn industry will blossom as well in this field when VR starts to advance. Whether gaming industry or porn industry pushes the VR forward it doesn't matter, both are doing it currently in one way and another. Both industries will earn big from it because there is tons of money in it.

I didn't call myself an expert nor did CrazyCrab call himself one. I throw out mostly the stuff I read. So if me and Crazy are "experts" then everyone is an "expert" here, because welcome to the internet, where everyone is an expert. You don't really need to watch porn to use Google or remember similar articles you read on the same subject.

 

 

These are forums, if someone doesn't like 2 people discussing a subject then don't join it. Sooner or later, you will be throwing out "expertise" on something I'm sure, but I won't call you out on it that way.

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23 minutes ago, Apex Spartan said:

Mate, I put out facts and links for you to read and statistics to at least back up some of the things I said. All you did is things you think are right and call it facts. I end my argument here.

 

If you compare those 10-20 millions users that you call a tiny market, it's much larger than it is in gaming industry. You think there will be 10 or 20 million gamers playing and enjoying these early VR games that much? I highly doubt it. It's POSSIBLE, but I still doubt it.

Reading this either means you didn't read my post or fully understand anything I said.

 

 

 

Not too hard to use Google and also follow tech releated sites which actually talked about how VR impacts both industries and how much it's (sadly) also working out really well in the porn industry. Both gaming and porn industry will earn greatly from VR, but my whole point is that porn industry will blossom as well in this field when VR starts to advance. Whether gaming industry or porn industry pushes the VR forward it doesn't matter, both are doing it currently in one way and another. Both industries will earn big from it because there is tons of money in it.

I didn't call myself an expert nor did CrazyCrab call himself one. I throw out mostly the stuff I read. So if me and Crazy are "experts" then everyone is an "expert" here, because welcome to the internet, where everyone is an expert. You don't really need to watch porn to use Google or remember similar articles you read on the same subject.

 

 

These are forums, if someone doesn't like 2 people discussing a subject then don't join it. Sooner or later, you will be throwing out "expertise" on something I'm sure, but I won't call you out on it that way.

 

Calm down dude, I'm only having a bit of a joke. I couldn't take this conversation seriously if I wanted to. That's me, that's my flaw. So If you don't like it, then go ahead and remove the like you added to my earlier post if you don't want to look like a hypocrite. You were perfectly fine to have me in the convo' when I was cracking jokes in your favor and/or that you found funny and now I make one that doesn't you basically tell to fuck off out of it. Not cool, bro, not cool.

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28 minutes ago, Shagger said:

 

Calm down dude, I'm only having a bit of a joke. I couldn't take this conversation seriously if I wanted to. That's me, that's my flaw. So If you don't like it, then go ahead and remove the like you added to my earlier post if you don't want to look like a hypocrite. You were perfectly fine to have me in the convo' when I was cracking jokes in your favor and/or that you found funny and now I make one that doesn't you basically tell to fuck off out of it. Not cool, bro, not cool.

Eh...what?

 

I like a post when I agree with one, even if it's just partially, but that don't mean I will agree with next one. Which post was in my favor? If it's the GIF one, I liked it because the fun way you put it it. Me and CrazyCrab had several times we disagreed with each other, but that don't mean I dislike him or will never agree with other posts he makes, because lots of times I do agree with him. I don't always like posts just for agreeing with them, sometimes it's the way they are written even if I disagree. If you follow my posts often, you see that I often like posts even when I disagree with someone. It all really depends on the subject and how it's being handled.

 

Right now we had a discussion not about porn, but about both industries. It's not like we talked about which porn was good specifically and there is a huge difference when you talk about an entire industry or porn...in way like, "this porn is better because it has more ass." lol

 

Anyway to my last point, I didn't know if you were joking about it, but saying we are both trying to be experts doesn't sound like a 100% joke. If I was being a hypocrite I would defend myself only, but I also steppd up for Crabby and said I don't THINK he is trying to be an expert either. We both have our own opinions on what we think might happen and bla bla so, that's not being an expert. Anyway, your post originally didn't look like a joke, but more like tried to call us both smartasses or trying to act smart, but I could of just taken it wrong, but since you edited it and added the last part, now I know it was more of a joke.

 

Anyways, my apologies and don't take my likes too seriously :P

As I said, I like posts based on many criteria and not just if I agree with them or not.

 

 

 

Anyway to get back on the  topic and not derail too hard again, I do agree at some points and disagree at some points with you CrazyCrab, but my whole point of the post was that both industries will advance VR a lot in their own way. I was talking about entire VR industry in general and not just the one focused on gaming. You said it yourself, the gimmicks for porn VR aren't as good as the gaming ones, but they are cheaper and they do contribute to advancement of VR in seperate way. Either way, VR alone is pushing porn industry just like it is pushing the gaming industry. Gamers might buy 600$ equipment of VR for games and movies, but you think at one point, that equipment won't be used for porn too? Cheesy as that sounds it will find it's way somehow, but another point is, other companies might focus on VR gear just for porn and many people will go for it, if it does happen. Access to porn VR is a lot easier and cheaper now than for gaming VR. That was my whole point in a nutshell, but maybe I added too info that wasn't needed I suppose. My point was VR technology will not be just used for gaming, but for other industries too. Just like often, military industry has a huge impact on other industries. I guess I just talked for too long about it and added info that wasn't needed.

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11 minutes ago, Apex Spartan said:

Eh...what?

 

I like a post when I agree with one, even if it's just partially, but that don't mean I will agree with next one. Which post was in my favor? If it's the GIF one, I liked it because the fun way you put it it. Me and CrazyCrab had several times we disagreed with each other, but that don't mean I dislike him or will never agree with other posts he makes, because lots of times I do agree with him. I don't always like posts just for agreeing with them, sometimes it's the way they are written even if I disagree. If you follow my posts often, you see that I often like posts even when I disagree with someone. It all really depends on the subject and how it's being handled.

 

Right now we had a discussion not about porn, but about both industries. It's not like we talked about which porn was good specifically and there is a huge difference when you talk about an entire industry or porn...in way like, "this porn is better because it has more ass." lol

 

Anyway to my last point, I didn't know if you were joking about it, but saying we are both trying to be experts doesn't sound like a 100% joke. If I was being a hypocrite I would defend myself only, but I also steppd up for Crabby and said I don't THINK he is trying to be an expert either. We both have our own opinions on what we think might happen and bla bla so, that's not being an expert. Anyway, your post originally didn't look like a joke, but more like tried to call us both smartasses or trying to act smart, but I could of just taken it wrong, but since you edited it and added the last part, now I know it was more of a joke.

 

Anyways, my apologies and don't take my likes too seriously :P

As I said, I like posts based on many criteria and not just if I agree with them or not.

 

 

 

Anyway to get back on the  topic and not derail too hard again, I do agree at some points and disagree at some points with you CrazyCrab, but my whole point of the post was that both industries will advance VR a lot in their own way. I was talking about entire VR industry in general and not just the one focused on gaming. You said it yourself, the gimmicks for porn VR aren't as good as the gaming ones, but they are cheaper and they do contribute to advancement of VR in seperate way. Either way, VR alone is pushing porn industry just like it is pushing the gaming industry. Gamers might buy 600$ equipment of VR for games and movies, but you think at one point, that equipment won't be used for porn too? Cheesy as that sounds it will find it's way somehow, but another point is, other companies might focus on VR gear just for porn and many people will go for it, if it does happen. Access to porn VR is a lot easier and cheaper now than for gaming VR. That was my whole point in a nutshell, but maybe I added too info that wasn't needed I suppose.

 

I'm a little sad to admit It but I for the most part agree.

 

As I've said I do not believe for a microsecond that Porn will be the backbone of VR. (Seriously Apex, it won't).  But speaking exclusively from some of the experiences the me and Apex Spartan have had over the past couple of months most of which have been pretty strong disagreements I've still liked his posts which I have agreed with and/or found entertaining and he's done the same with me.

 

Yeah, like many times before we don't agree bit I still do my best to show some respect. 

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Well as I said, I don't mind haha

 

Me disagreeing doesn't mean I dislike someone or anything similar so I personally don't mind that stuff. Most close friends I got I often disagree with in many views, but it's the way you disagree about it. As long as it's discussed in a friendly manner then there is no problemos at all.

 

And yeah, of course it won't be the backbone of VR, I didn't mean that but it will still have a large influence (perhaps), I could be wrong but it's what I'm thinking anyway. I feel like both industries will come up with new things for it, but it won't be a backbone a 100%, that I agree with. 

 

 

Anyway back to the original topic itself, I'm not personall too excited about VR yet. The games for it now don't seem anything good and while I think it's fun to play them, but I can't see myself immersing 100s of hours so partially where Gaben said and most people in this topic, it's still too early to be putting too much money and plans into it.

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I'm not sure I'd like Serious Sam being an Exclusive tho, yeah sure it was originally exclusive for PC , but it quickly made it's way back to multiple consoles, let's not make games that haven't been Exclusives ( Or Exclusive for a different platform as in this case with VR and PC ) And especially not exclusive for such expensive tech   ( Not saying It's not worth the price ) 

And to be honest when I learned about VR I wasn't excited about any exclusives it would bring to the table, I was actually more excited to see Good Games ported decently, preferably those with great immersion. Such as Metro for example, sure the first game was flawed but it's the only game, or rather one of the very few games that I was immersed in.  I remember I was terrified when playing on a level that was this unfinished, half destroyed building, it reminded me so much of a dropped project, a huge unfinished building in my town. So there I was, 2 AM lights out and fully into the game exploring the building, I saw a little hole in the wall and naturally crouched to go through it, only to find some mutated...beast... gorilla thing charging at me, I shot once and went back through the hole ''Phew'' I thought, '' No way that big gorilla thing is gonna fit down there'' and started reloading, only to hear a loud THUD and small rocks scattering over the ground, I looked to the right with my weak flashlight to see the thing DEMOLISHED THE WALL and was headed my way full speed. And to be honest I assume if that happened while I was with VR I'd shit my pants. 

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It's nice to see Gaben understands this in a business and gaming viewpoint with the VR stuff.

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4 hours ago, Ranisel said:

I'm not sure I'd like Serious Sam being an Exclusive tho, yeah sure it was originally exclusive for PC , but it quickly made it's way back to multiple consoles, let's not make games that haven't been Exclusives ( Or Exclusive for a different platform as in this case with VR and PC ) And especially not exclusive for such expensive tech   ( Not saying It's not worth the price ) 

And to be honest when I learned about VR I wasn't excited about any exclusives it would bring to the table, I was actually more excited to see Good Games ported decently, preferably those with great immersion. Such as Metro for example, sure the first game was flawed but it's the only game, or rather one of the very few games that I was immersed in.  I remember I was terrified when playing on a level that was this unfinished, half destroyed building, it reminded me so much of a dropped project, a huge unfinished building in my town. So there I was, 2 AM lights out and fully into the game exploring the building, I saw a little hole in the wall and naturally crouched to go through it, only to find some mutated...beast... gorilla thing charging at me, I shot once and went back through the hole ''Phew'' I thought, '' No way that big gorilla thing is gonna fit down there'' and started reloading, only to hear a loud THUD and small rocks scattering over the ground, I looked to the right with my weak flashlight to see the thing DEMOLISHED THE WALL and was headed my way full speed. And to be honest I assume if that happened while I was with VR I'd shit my pants. 

Well there is no worry, Serious Sam won't be an exclusive. They made a VR version, but it's it's not Oculus exclusive like they offered them, but instead the game will come for VR but it will be on Steam and wherever else.

 

And yeah I'm not excited for VR right now as there is so much work to do, plus you need good hardware and the gear, but later it's gonna be great I think. In I don't know how many years.

 

 

LOL, speaking of porn VR xD

is this a joke or was that actually on fuckin E3?

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No one should underestimate the power of the damn porn industry.  Do you know who determined the winner of VHS vs betamax?  And for that matter, Blu-ray vs HD-DVD?  Do you know who propelled the internet from a relatively exclusive communication system to a media distribution platform?  Do you know who pushed for higher bandwidth and better video encoding to making streaming services viable?  Spoilers it was the porn industry.

While it's not the sole factor of why each thing above succeeded, the porn industry is very effective at laying the groundwork that other companies can build on.

 

But getting back to the actual topic, Gabe's sentiment is nothing new.  Palmer Lucky, the main guy behind the Oculus Rift, said pretty much the same thing (that making things exclusive to one headset or another would be hurt the business in the long run) during the Rift's development, but that didn't stop them from adding DRM to stop Rift games from playing on the Vive shortly after release.  The moral of the story is that people can say whatever they want, judge them by their actions instead.  Let's see what Steam VR looks like in a year, and see if they're encouraging exclusives then.  I have a feeling they won't, since they don't seem to encourage "Steam exclusives" the same way Origin does, but you can never trust a company.

 

(Also Apex, you might want to clean up the first post a bit.  Oculus (Rift) = Facebook = Palmer Lucky, which is separate from Vive = HTC = Gaben/Steam.  It's highly doubtful that Oculus is paying devs to make games exclusive to the "Vive store," aka Steam.)

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22 minutes ago, Zieglobaz said:

(Also Apex, you might want to clean up the first post a bit.  Oculus (Rift) = Facebook = Palmer Lucky, which is separate from Vive = HTC = Gaben/Steam.  It's highly doubtful that Oculus is paying devs to make games exclusive to the "Vive store," aka Steam.)

*facepalm*

 

Yea I meant the Oculus store, not VIVE. I don't know why I even said vive. Thanks for correcting me!

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On 6/17/2016 at 11:02 AM, Apex Spartan said:

Whole article: http://www.pcgamer.com/gabe-newell-on-vr-exclusives-theyre-bad-for-everyone/?utm_content=buffer09af2&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=buffer_pcgamer

 

 

Also in short for anyone who is too lazy to read, Occulus offers money to game developers to make games for VR. There was a thread on Reddit that they offered money to Croteam (creators of Serious Sam series and few more titles), but Croteam apparently refused the offer.  Oculus wanted to accelerate the development of Serious Sam: Last Hope VR game, but in return, Croteam would have to  launch the game exculusively on the Vive story for some time. Even tho they made the game for VR, they haven't in the end accepted the offer as the game is coming to Steam Early Access this summer and no where else before that. WP Croteam, I'm proud (they are in my country) :P

 

So basically Oculus "offers" money to developers to make VR games, but in return they have to make them exclusive to the Vive store. Smells a bit like corporate's shit to me. In Serious Sam case, the game didn't stop the creation of Serious Sam 4 which is in development and the VR game was just a small side project and isn't exclusive for Vive. 

 

Anyway what's your thought on Oculus approaching developers with money and telling them to make games exclusive for VR for a time and on Gabe's position on it? 

Personally I think it's shit and looks like they wanna expand a bit too desperately.

I think you got names wrong. I think you were talking about Occulus. You have to take Gaben with a grain of salt when he's bad-mouthing his competition (witch isn't uncommon). Vive is from HTC and Valve partnership, and Occulus is the only competition to Vive on PC platform.

What Occulus is doing, has both pros and cons. It can either kill or save VR. Like similar attempts before (and like Windows Phone), it's prone getting caught in loop 22. People won't buy VR if there's a lack of games to play, and developers won't develop for VR if the market is too small. VR games are harder to make than PC or Console games. For starters you have to get your game to run on 1080p with 90+ fps.

On one hand Occulus are getting games to VR (most of them are only timed exclusives, from what I understand), wotch is very good. On other hand, they are fragmenting, the already small and vulnerable market witch is very bad.

 

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On June 19, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Apex Spartan said:

 

LOL, speaking of porn VR xD

is this a joke or was that actually on fuckin E3?

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What you didn't believe me? The line was massive for this as opposed to the tiny lines for the games. Like it or not the adult industry will beat the game industry in terms of VR usage.

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1 hour ago, Rain said:

Like it or not the adult industry will beat the game industry in terms of VR usage.

Yea pretty much. If it does or doesn't, I mean I really don't give a shit personally, as long as we just get good quality in gaming. I did kinda say this in my first or 2nd post where I mentioned porn and VR. I actually didn't know this shit was on E3 honestly. It's kinda creepy lmao

 

 

2 hours ago, Mattilald said:

I think you got names wrong. I think you were talking about Occulus. You have to take Gaben with a grain of salt when he's bad-mouthing his competition (witch isn't uncommon). Vive is from HTC and Valve partnership, and Occulus is the only competition to Vive on PC platform.

What Occulus is doing, has both pros and cons. It can either kill or save VR. Like similar attempts before (and like Windows Phone), it's prone getting caught in loop 22. People won't buy VR if there's a lack of games to play, and developers won't develop for VR if the market is too small. VR games are harder to make than PC or Console games. For starters you have to get your game to run on 1080p with 90+ fps.

On one hand Occulus are getting games to VR (most of them are only timed exclusives, from what I understand), wotch is very good. On other hand, they are fragmenting, the already small and vulnerable market witch is very bad.

 

Yea pretty much. great point!

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