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I'll be honest here I'm a fan who enjoys his content and I don't mind him doing other stuff. But, I originally subscribed to him on YouTube because of his high quality gaming reviews which clearly are what made him who he is today. I don't support his decision to disable comments and ratings because he's pulling a Spoony/DSP move by doing that. Also it just shows to me and a lot of people that he has a fragile ego and he can't handle the criticism he's getting by taking another vacation when he already been on one. People who think the schedule he did was a 100% promise is in the wrong. However, he did say to keep our expectations high on this new schedule which in my opinion gives him ample breaks in between reviews. I mean if he did one review a month I'd be okay with that because he's at least trying to stick to a schedule he created. While it's not a promise come on what did you expect when you made that video and told us to keep our expectations high? 

I would consider myself at least a couple of those fan types but not a entitled fan because I can appreciate the work he does. I just find this situation weird because why does he care about the criticism now when he four years ago said he wouldn't disable comments or ratings and would ignore the whiny bitches (Entitled Fans)? Hopefully Joe will make this follow up video later this week like posted on Twitter. Hopefully he'll re-enable comments and ratings after the month or so of them being off. While I don't know him personally and not his doctor if you're coming through more mental health issues that's effecting your ability to work on content you love than you should seek help. Do what you're known for because there's fans who love them and there are some who appreciate it like I do. Ignore the haters because they're just going to hate and try to take you down. 

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I just realized this thread exists. 

Look peeps, Joe's human. If you actually look at the stuff he puts out this year compared to the last, there's actually more reviews than before in half a year, and it's definitely taking a toll on him, so he simply needs a break. I expected it though since he did make a schedule that is quite packed and his reviews usually took a lot of preparations, and trying to do it as quickly as possible will definitely be a risky thing especially if he's unable to follow through on the schedule. He said it himself that he's just going to take a short break and when the big games are coming, he'll cover those games.

 

Besides there's not that many big games in July to cover anyway. July there's only Pyre and well, that's not that big of a game. It's football, but in purgatory! Or a world where you have to repent your sin by going to different stars and play spirit football. Fun, but not a game that Joe will take a look at. Maybe he'll cover at least one game in August since there's only Uncharted Lost Legacy, Life is Strange Before the Storm and Yakuza Kiwami, but I doubt it.

 

Update: Waiiiiit a minute....... THESE 4 GAMES ARE COMING THIS AUGUST AS WELL??

 

Well I'm not that excited with Agents of Mayhem since it's more like if Saints Row get mixed with Overwatch, and Saints Row 3 & 4 are, meih, too samey once you play them for 20+ hours. But STILL!! Such a shame that he won't cover these games!! Maybe a gameplay preview of sort but that ain't the same! 

 

Anyway, good news is September will be busy with reviews. Destiny 2, Total War Warhammer 2 and CUPHEAD! OH CUPHEAD YOU LOOK SO BEAUTIFUL! Well that last one is definitely not going to be reviewed but JUST LOOK AT THIS GAME. IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL!

 

And from personal experience, it's the worst move to actually listen to youtube commenters, because they are mostly populated by the stupidest and most pathetic people on the internet that talks the absolute STUPIDEST nonsense, and it will keep on getting worse and worse. That's why I use youtube comment blockers since 2013, and it's the best thing I have ever done. Everyone that's popular on youtube are definitely going to get affected by this issue one time in their life. This is just Joe's turn. 

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If possible, I'd like to speak to Joe Vargas himself first, but a lot of this can apply to those who are complaining about his content:

Joe, you are an independent Youtube Creator. You are your own boss, producer, and creative director. You have NO ONE holding you liable for the content on your channel. The people who are complaining, will always find SOMETHING to complain about. If you haven't had a real vacation(Not a WORKING vacation like going to E3 and doing interviews and floor demos) in eight years, by all means, take one sir. Take several. The people that will actually appreciate the content, will still be here. The people that want to complain? They'll have found something else to rail against, and then see your video and watch it anyways.

This part, is for the people who are angry. I said this when I heard people bashing TotalBiscuit for not putting out as much content because of his health issues: if you think it's so terrible that Joe or TB or Jim Sterling or ANYONE ELSE, isn't putting out the content you personally want, go do it yourself. Spend thousands of dollars on lights, cameras, sound equipment, computers, consoles internet connections and a place to work from. Quit your job and dedicate yourself full time to reviewing games. Forcibly play through games you would have dropped after the first hour, just so you can have a complete understanding of their failures. Do this not for just one year, not a few years, but EIGHT years with no appreciable breaks. And THEN, go and deal with the nonsense that occurs on the Youtube and Twitch message boards. Youtube content creators are not your personal monkeys to dance when you expect them to. They're people, doing a job that USED to be done by a studio of dozens, with no one but themselves and maybe a few close friends. Treat them AS SUCH!

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Khasm & Kaz32: I'm certainly not one of those brain dead morons who do nothing but spew vile garbage and demanding such. I am saying ditch the content (Reactions, movie reviews) that has a lower view count. Compare it to anything like an Angry View or Angry Rant, those get the most views out of anything and you know for sure that's a guarantee 1M+ views over time while the other content gets between 100k and 300k views on average.

I'm just saying go back to your roots that made you popular in the first place: Video game related content. You'll likely pacify about 90-95% of the complaints if Joe does this move. If not, he'll continue to bleed subscribers for who knows how (a loss of around 5,000 subscribers in about 2 weeks).

HOWEVER, the older subscriber base will never forget this.

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1 hour ago, Kaz32 said:

Look peeps, Joe's human. If you actually look at the stuff he puts out this year compared to the last, there's actually more reviews than before in half a year, and it's definitely taking a toll on him, so he simply needs a break. I expected it though since he did make a schedule that is quite packed and his reviews usually took a lot of preparations, and trying to do it as quickly as possible will definitely be a risky thing especially if he's unable to follow through on the schedule. He said it himself that he's just going to take a short break and when the big games are coming, he'll cover those games.

 

Besides there's not that many big games in July to cover anyway. July there's only Pyre and well, that's not that big of a game. It's football, but in purgatory! Fun, but not a game that Joe will take a look at. Maybe he'll cover at least one game in August since there's only Uncharted Lost Legacy, Life is Strange Before the Storm and Yakuza Kiwami, but I doubt it. Those games aren't big enough to cover. It's September that's going to get busy with reviews. Destiny 2, Total War Warhammer 2 and CUPHEAD! OH CUPHEAD YOU LOOK SO BEAUTIFUL! Well that last one is definitely not going to be reviewed but JUST LOOK AT THIS GAME. IT'S SO BEAUTIFUL!

And from personal experience, it's the worst move to actually listen to youtube commenters, because they are mostly populated by the stupidest and most pathetic people on the internet that talks the absolute STUPIDEST nonsense, and it will keep on getting worse and worse. That's why I use youtube comment blockers since 2013, and it's the best thing I have ever done. Everyone that's popular on youtube are definitely going to get affected by this issue one time in their life. This is just Joe's turn. 

 

56 minutes ago, khasym said:

If possible, I'd like to speak to Joe Vargas himself first, but a lot of this can apply to those who are complaining about his content:

Joe, you are an independent Youtube Creator. You are your own boss, producer, and creative director. You have NO ONE holding you liable for the content on your channel. The people who are complaining, will always find SOMETHING to complain about. If you haven't had a real vacation(Not a WORKING vacation like going to E3 and doing interviews and floor demos) in eight years, by all means, take one sir. Take several. The people that will actually appreciate the content, will still be here. The people that want to complain? They'll have found something else to rail against, and then see your video and watch it anyways.

I couldn't agree more with you two. It's sad to see Joe being hurt by his own audience like this, and think that all of his hard work isn't appreciated, when it clearly is. 

Joe, you're mah man. Just keep on being awesome, the way you always have, and the people that have always supported you will keep on supporting you. No. Matter. What. Don't let yourself be discouraged by a really loud and toxic minority that are better off unsubscribing anyways.

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1 hour ago, Glaice said:

Compare it to anything like an Angry View or Angry Rant, those get the most views out of anything and you know for sure that's a guarantee 1M+ views over time while the other content gets between 100k and 300k views on average.

True, except that an Angry Game review, takes a FULL playthrough of any one game. This has been the year of the Sandbox and the Lootbox: Horizon Zero Dawn, Mass Effect, Andromeda, Friday the 13th, For Honor. Any ONE of those games, is a bare minimum week's mandatory investment. Especially now that the publishers aren't willing to hand out review codes to people who won't tow the IGN/Gamespot line. An Angry Movie review, takes a night at the movies. And Joe doesn't have to sift THROUGH the movie for hours on end, to demonstrate his points. He's not trying to replicate glitches or poor design that he encountered but maybe didn't have recorded.

Don't get me wrong. I LOVE a good No Man's Sky level rip on a bad game. But in any kind of entertainment production, there's a terrible hidden truth: very little of the WORK, is actually shown. Excluding the gameplay, it takes a good two to three hours of production, editing and polishing, for any ONE hour of content that someone brings out for full view. Now, you add IN the 30-40 hours of a current sandbox game, or the 20 hours of something like For Honor or Outlast 2, and that one 30 minute review seems like a LOT of work. And, it's all work that is based on games coming out being WORTHY of a good or bad review, that won't get flagged for a DMCA strike. Sure, Joe could knock up a Splatoon 2 review over three days of playing, writing, producing and submitting a video....and Nintendo will strip any money he would make FROM that video, if not outright block it if he cranked hard on the VOIP.

Joe's doing right by his channel. He's a gamer, and despite what many want to say, he's been keeping up WITH gaming news and releases. Go to his youtube page right now, and you'll see that for every two of the movie or TV show reviews, there's at least one game related video, if not a full on review. And he's not descending into clickbait news article vids about gaming, like the Alex Mauer/Star Mazer stuff. He's doing real promos and opinion pieces on games that ARE coming. But because the content that's on his page isn't JUST gaming, people are wrongfully freaking out, making false claims and generally giving him NO reason whatsoever to keep doing this. Who wants to work at a job where all the feedback is variations on "YOU SUCK, SELLOUT!!!" I wish the trolls(Not you Glaice but we both know who I'm talking about) could get their wish, and Joe decides to pack it in. That way, they could feel all righteous and indignant for a few days, and then realize they drove out an honest voice in gaming, to be quickly replaced by the next IGN/Gamespot toady telling them lies. They'll feel SOOOO much better then.

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Looks like I was right all along since last year with the growing displeasure among fans. You change your overall format, you're going to lose your original fan base and now I see it. Not to mention bleeding subs by the hundreds since that update video and last month you only got a paltry 2,800 subs, down 84% and views are down 49%. Go back to your roots or risk demolishing your reputation.

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Here's the simple truth: AJ NEEDS to get back to what made him, the gaming reviews. Views for gaming content, not necessarily reviews, dwarfs everything else on the channel. Not even a year ago, the NMS review has over 5 million views. Hell, he doesn't seem to even do non-AAA/high profile games anymore, even though his Mindjack review is one the best reviews he's done. I'm not opposed to diversifying content, but it shouldn't come at the cost of his bread and butter.

I don't really understand these comments, he's on track to posting what will probably be more reviews than last year. I don't know why his Youtube financial situation is such a concern for you, even more so when you don't know how much he earns on Youtube, through sponsored content, or through Twitch. From what he says and what the views show he could very well end up making more on his content that isn't reviews. Friday 13th has 1.2+ million views, Injustice 2 has 800,000+, his movie reviews of Spiderman and Transformers have 440,000+ and 760,000+ and they are newer, he enjoyed making them and they take less time, energy, and money for him to create.

 

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Disabling comments AND ratings for a month? Are you out of your mind?

It's worked just fine for a lot of other people, and they all seem happier for it or it doesn't seem to have effected them.

 

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I just find this situation weird because why does he care about the criticism now when he four years ago said he wouldn't disable comments or ratings and would ignore the whiny bitches (Entitled Fans)?

Having people constantly complaining is going to take a toll on most people, it's certainly something that has effected many other Youtubers. Four years ago was four years ago and with the environment around most gaming communities having only gotten worse since then and an additional four years of feeling the effects of it it can change the situation. This is all without even getting into people starting fights in his comment section or covering it with offensive comments either aimed at Joe, his friends, other commenters, or other people.

 

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I'm just saying go back to your roots that made you popular in the first place: Video game related content. You'll likely pacify about 90-95% of the complaints if Joe does this move

As he's been saying for years though, he doesn't want to do that. He likes doing the other content and the streaming as well, and is obviously in a situation where that has been working for him financially and where he would rather not have the comments on that content rather than no longer creating it. I don't even know if that will be the case, he has drama channels making videos of him and a toxic Youtuber whining about his comment being deleted and that's really nothing that hasn't happened before and will happen again no matter what he ends up doing.

 

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That way, they could feel all righteous and indignant for a few days, and then realize they drove out an honest voice in gaming, to be quickly replaced by the next IGN/Gamespot toady telling them lies.

The implication that those sites are lying to people is ridiculous, and they and similar sites have had or have people in their employ or freelance positions that currently put out what is easily some of the best writing, thoughts, interviews, and videos in the industry, as well as people who have gone on to work in game design and created well received titles.

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I haven't posted in a long damn time, but I saw this thread got revived when I got an e-mail for it.

If you look at my first post, I was on Joe's side. Not because I'm a fanboy and not because I think his fans are retarded, but because of the way fans talk to him like they know him personally.

 

1. It's his damn channel. He created it.

2. He didn't force anyone to subscribe or love him. You did that yourselves.

3. Just because he has fans, doesn't mean he should bow down to their wishes. Sure, he should, but he doesn't have to.

4. Nobody really knows what's best for his channel or him,  only he does.

5. What's happening behind that Joe video, behind his camera, we don't know. Who are we to judge?

 

I do agree with fans on one thing and that's several promises he made that he never ended up making true. If you will make  a promise like that, you should really do your best to fulfill it. I can understand the blow that Joe is getting and I honestly think some of it is deserved, but I harshly disagree with how the blows are done.

"I've been your loyal sub and you do this to me and us? fuck off you sell out."

"Used to be a great channel. now he's just getting fat off of the money he milks from his shitty movie reviews"

etc etc etc, any insults or judgmental comments, I'm harshly against it. 

 

You are not his mother or his father, you haven't done anything for him besides clicked the sub button and watched his all previous videos when mighty Joe was great. He did all the hard work, you just watched and laughed at it and now most fans think that they deserve some kind of compensation? No. Also, if you donated him money, for anyone that did, also, that was your choice. Nobody forces you upon it. It's your fault, if you regret it now. It's kind of like preordering a video game. Risks involved.

 

He wants to make money and he will do it any way he likes it. The hard way, the easy way, the fast way - who are we to judge him? If his channel fails because of his current decisions, only he can blame himself. And if that happens, the fans who hated him can taps themselves on the back and say they warned him.

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If there's any content that should be dropped it's those stupid reaction videos because it's just low effort, bottom of the barrel content (MOST of the time) if you search reaction stuff on YouTube.

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So everyone is mad because he's making less reviews when he so far has 10?  He seems to average 13/14 a year.  Some years more then others.  If he does reviews in Sep, Oct, Nov and Dec, then he'll be at 14.

He may end with his average amount, and he's doing more content in between.  What's the problem?

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In the last video Joe has open to us why he disable comments and likes.I follow Joe long time now since 2009 and part of the community since 2013. Everyone have ups and downs ,sometimes people lose faith in us. Your channel is build on Video Game reviews and now when you want do something many people not like cause they need time to get used to it.You are very great reviewer and do very good job. I wish all of best for his channel and i will always help community to grow and what ever happens we will be beside Joe always. And for others i do not write this cause im part of AJSA community  but to let him do stuff he likes. I stayed Sub on his YT cause i like his Game contents,he want to do movies its ok i will wait until there is game review cause he is also human like we are.We are all here because of Joe ,he made us come together and play together.The people ranting on youtube only go there for videos ,they do not know the hard work you do in record ,than edit video.Now is time we help Joe and understand him. Hey even i not like sometimes some movie reviews i skip them and wait other but not because of joe but because i not like movie and i not hate what he do, what he like,That makes him happy.I write all this because i am feeling injustice for Joe ,he do all this years putting honest reviews and i want to share my support to him.Hell my fav. Rome 2 was 40 minutes, you know how much that is time for just edit.Once again You have my respect always. So if he read this its ok,if not its ok again also,Joe have my respect.Stop hating stuff that make other people happy. And i will see you again at next Angry Joe Show :-)

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1 hour ago, GypsyBiscuits said:

So everyone is mad because he's making less reviews when he so far has 10?  He seems to average 13/14 a year.  Some years more then others.  If he does reviews in Sep, Oct, Nov and Dec, then he'll be at 14.

He may end with his average amount, and he's doing more content in between.  What's the problem?

That's the question I'm trying to figure out an answer for myself.

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8 hours ago, Legolas_Katarn said:

The implication that those sites are lying to people is ridiculous, and they and similar sites have had or have people in their employ or freelance positions that currently put out what is easily some of the best writing, thoughts, interviews, and videos in the industry, as well as people who have gone on to work in game design and created well received titles.

For writing, thoughts, interviews and videos, I won't argue the quality of IGN or Gamespot. I used to watch both Press Start and The Lobby regularly. But for REVIEWS, for HONEST reviews that put the CUSTOMER first? Nah, they sold out. Want proof? Here's a quick list of games Joe, IGN and Gamespot have recently reviewed.

Evolve
Angry Joe: 5/10
Gamespot: 8/10
IGN: 9/10

Batman: Arkham Knight
Angry Joe: 6/10
Gamespot: 7/10
IGN: 9.2/10

Battlefield Hardline
Angry Joe: 5/10
Gamespot: 7/10
IGN: 8/10

Outlast 2
Angry Joe: 6/10
Gamespot: 7/10
IGN: 8.3/10

My criteria for this list was fairly simple. I wanted a greater than 1.5 point difference between Angry Joe's score, and the average of Gamespot and IGN's. I had to set that, because in almost every case both Gamespot and IGN will score ANY AAA released game, at least one full point higher than Joe does. And, in many of their reviews, neither Gamespot nor IGN will focus on customer concerns such as microtransactions or day one DLC. The only thing both news outlets will objectively bash when it occurs, is the connectivity issues.

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2 hours ago, khasym said:

That's the question I'm trying to figure out an answer for myself.

It doesn't make much sense for me.  I don't watch Game of Thrones, so I don't watch the GOT stuff he does.  No biggie, I'll wait for the next interview or Let's Play or something.  

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If there's any content that should be dropped it's those stupid reaction videos because it's just low effort, bottom of the barrel content (MOST of the time) if you search reaction stuff on YouTube. Like this

I don't really watch Joe's content but I don't really see any reason to be upset about this. It's easy to ignore, it's not like he's posting drama videos, or response videos, or stealing content, or posting clickbait titles all the time to cover up 20 minute babbling over lets play footage, or actively making people stupid like a lot of gaming channels do. Usually once you get an audience like Joe you start getting people asking you about your thoughts on every popular movie or game trailer anyway.

 

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REVIEWS, for HONEST reviews that put the CUSTOMER first? Nah, they sold out. Want proof? Here's a quick list of games Joe, IGN and Gamespot have recently reviewed.

Those aren't proof of anything, Joe's just a guy who makes Youtube videos who gives higher and lower scores than other people would give games all the time. Joe's review score on a game isn't a correct and infallible one, it's an opinion, one that doesn't even follow the same type of scale and one that isn't discussed with an editor when a review is created without even having a score in mind. I know people that loved and hated each of those games for a variety of reasons (except for Hardline, I don't know anyone who cared about that). You can find reviews where Joe has given AAA games higher scores, where sites have scored AAA or popular games lower than the average score at other places or than Joe, at certain points sites have had reviews written by multiple people with them giving up to 4 points in score difference. A large portion of people at larger sites don't even want review scores, or only see value to them because they know most people don't actually read anything apart from the title and the number at the end, freelancers might have to create a score based on an individual sites number chart or discuss what they want to give it with an editor. The best reviews typically aren't even going to be written with the author worrying about consumers or a game company's financial situation, if microtransactions are an active part of a game they are likely mentioned in the reviews but neither major sites or Joe really do anything to stop that kind of content or bad business practices through reviews.

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This whole thing has become a much bigger issue than it ever needed to be.  It's actually so simple to the point that what needs to be done is so obvious that I really shouldn't even have to make this post.  I'm sure someone else has made this point somewhere on this topic but I'm reading through the whole this to find out.  If you don't like his trailer reactions/analysis, movie reviews, Vlogs or any of the content in part or in full that he (or any YourTuber for that matter) is putting out for free then....................................

 

JUST DON'T WATCH IT !

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I haven't seen much of Game of Thrones so naturally I'm not interested in watching his new Game of Thrones series where he discusses the latest season.  I do intend to get round to watching it at some point and I don't want it spoiled so guess what I do........ Absolutely nothing!  I don't click on it or any GOT stuff that might spoil it for me!

 

If he does a Trailer reaction or interview for a game or a film I'm not interested in then I don't click on it!  It's NOT difficult!

 

The thing that has become a problem is the constant toxic whining, I'd turn off the bloody comments too!  Were not his boss and the cost of producing the content he puts out doesn't come out of any of our pockets so I don't think any of us have a legitimate case to piss and moan.  If you don't like it then hit the dislike button, unsubscribe and get on with your life!

 

 

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13 hours ago, Legolas_Katarn said:

Those aren't proof of anything, Joe's just a guy who makes Youtube videos who gives higher and lower scores than other people would give games all the time. Joe's review score on a game isn't a correct and infallible one, it's an opinion, one that doesn't even follow the same type of scale and one that isn't discussed with an editor when a review is created without even having a score in mind.

Through that discourse, nothing you said provides any kind of proof AGAINST what I said. I picked through several AAA games, that Gamespot, IGN, and Joe reviewed. I set a clear measure of quality difference between Joe's reviews, and those of Gamespot and IGN. And, as I said, I set a bar of quality. At every point BELOW that bar, Joe scored AAA games consistently LOWER than Gamespot and IGN did. The only notable exception I've found so far, has been Duke Nukem Forever. Joe gave that game a 4/10. While IGN gave it a 5.5/10, Gamespot finally showed a little bit of courage, and ranked it at a 3/10. if you have proof that Gamespot and IGN rate AAA games lower than Joe does on a consistent basis, present it.

And all of this, ALL of this, doesn't even cover the fact that Gamespot LITERALLY and ACTUALLY fired a reviewer, because he gave games a review score LOWER than Gamespot wanted. Or more specifically, lower than the paid advertisers for those games pimping on GS' website wanted.

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Yesterday, I thought Angry Joe was being over dramatic so I started researching the situation. I have been watching Angry Joe around the time of his Halo ODST review. Until yesterday I didn't realize how long it has been. I wouldn't call myself a fan, but a gamer with to much time on his hands and enjoys researching stuff. 

 

Yesterday, I made a list of all of his review videos. I did his angry review playlist. Then youtube recommended me an old review video that wasn't on the list. So I made a comment on my post with all the videos that werent in the playlist but might fit into the playlist.

 

First argument people have against Joe, he only recently has been doing movie reviews. If you go back he has always done reviews of Comic and Action movies. I remembered watching them when I was scrolling through all his videos. To be fair to everyone though, I always forgot about them.

In recent years Joe has unleashed LOADS of movie related content. But it isn't his fault. He always did these movies. Ranging from Kickass to Inception. In recent years look at how many comic book movies come out. Joe has always talked about trailers and what not in some of his videos.

To address the elephant in the room no Joe is not 100% in the right. The way he handled the situation was very poor. To be fair, he doesn't have a PR team. That is his honest reaction. So if you only gripe with Joe how he handled the situation then you can be angry all you want. Since that is a valid reason to be upset.

 

What has actually changed in Joe's channel in recent years? It wasnt till around 2014 that his amount of "Angry Reviews" slowed down. However, this is when he switched from doing small titles like kinect games to mainly big titles for his reviews. Overall raising his quality as well in these videos with more effort and jokes added in. Which is the reviews we know today.

 

So what has actually changed in his channel? Right now he is on track to do the same amount of reviews compared to recent years. August doesn't have that many big titles. It stuff ranging from sleeping dogs to fruit ninja kinect. November, he usually puts out 2 reviews, october 1, and almost every year 1 in december. Which he is at 9 so far for the year. Last year he had 12 reviews. So if misses Aug and October and did 2 in Nov and 1 Dec. He would have done the same amount of reviews.

 

He broke his promise he made at the start of the year! Come on comrades! He's a MAN NOT A GOD! HE'S A MAN NOT A GOD! (reference..no? okay I'll stop). I rewatched the video he didn't promise. BUT, he did say his integrity is everything to him. I think he thought he could do it but couldn't. Plus, I told myself in january I would start working out more... I have been to the gym four times. Three of which were in January. I think it's the thought that counts on that. If you are upset with him for not upholding what he said he would do. That is a fine reason, be mad. Just remember, he didn't promise though.

 

Now perception is the most important thing to consumers and I think there is a couple of reasons why Joe is getting hate from his fans. Since fans can't just see a group of thumbnails on his channel and pick out which one is the review without looking at each title. You might miss game reviews. There is also a lot more content between reviews. This gives people the impression more time as passed even if it is the same duration as last year. But with added content, since the half of his fan base just want reviews they see those videos being posted more often then the content they want to watch. I have a couple ideas that Joe can use to fix this problem. Although unless he decides to stop posting his other content outright there will still be some complaints. So let me list them out here now for you.

 

1)His thumbnails SUCK! His thumbnails need different colored borders so you can tell what is what. For exmaple, Game reviews have a strong red border. Movie Reviews have a strong blue border. Gaming/Movie news, trailers, and tech have a Yellow border. Then his Plays and stuff have a Purple or green border. This will make it easier for fans to go to his channel and see what new videos they want to watch.

 

2)Standardize title format. While making that list of games, when I went back and went video to video I realized sometimes movies and games wouldn't specify. Which made it awkward when the title is "Pirates of the Carribean Dead Man Angry Review" "Outlast 2 Angry Review" "The Fate of the Furious Angry Movie Review" "Ghostbusters (2016) Game Angry Review". Which it isn't that hard to figure out, if you're scrolling through the page and want to find just game reviews, you will sometimes stop at a movie and be like is this a movie game or the movie. Since in the past Joe has played a LOT of movie game titles.

 

3)If you don't want to do 1 and 2 then get a 2nd channel for your side content.

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3 hours ago, SirStriped said:

His thumbnails need different colored borders so you can tell what is what. For exmaple, Game reviews have a strong red border. Movie Reviews have a strong blue border. Gaming/Movie news, trailers, and tech have a Yellow border. Then his Plays and stuff have a Purple or green border. This will make it easier for fans to go to his channel and see what new videos they want to watch.

Okay, this could really help. I like the color idea, but I think a bottom border rocker for each kind of video thumbnail, might work a little bit better. Say for his reviews, you have a bottom rocker of Joe getting angry and maybe OJ trying to hold him back while holding a game(check Joe's Killzone 2 review for an idea of what I mean). For movie or show reviews, have Joe, OJ and Del on one side, looking shocked at a movie screen under the title. And for comic reviews, maybe have Joe centered on the bottom, with wide eyes peeking out from above a fake spiderman comic book or something. That way, even if it is small on a handheld or webpage, it's still easy to spot what kind of video it's gonna be.

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Too much filler content, that's my main complaint I've put along in detail multiple times already. Also, I've moved on so I'm not agitated as much now.

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And all of this, ALL of this, doesn't even cover the fact that Gamespot LITERALLY and ACTUALLY fired a reviewer, because he gave games a review score LOWER than Gamespot wanted. Or more specifically, lower than the paid advertisers for those games pimping on GS' website wanted. Like this

That was 10 years ago, and the people that did that were fired and last I heard from the old staff were also working for the parent media company rather than being one of the reviewers or editors at Gamespot. The actual people who were fired or that left the site due to the incident don't hold grudges to the site or their employees, or complain about their work, or want it used as a way to complain about game's media.

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Joe scored AAA games consistently LOWER than Gamespot and IGN did

Their review scales aren't the same. With the more middle of the road score for Joe being more of an average rather than bad. This is a terrible way to compare things or to imply anyone is lying to you, even more so when a variety of people reviews games on larger sites, some who don't even work there, instead of just one person. Looking at the last few Joe gave Resident Evil 7 the same score as Gamespot and a higher score than IGN, he gave Skyrim and Guild Wars 2 a higher score than both of them, Mass Effect is the same as Gamespot and 1.5 higher on IGN, Injustice 2 got the same score from all three, Friday the 13th was almost a point higher on IGN and two point lower on Gamespot, Mafia 3 is the same as Gamespot and 1.5 higher on IGN with all of them having problems with the gameplay, Batman VR is the same score from all three, BF1/For Honor/Zelda/Titanfall/Yakuza 0 are basically all the same score or a point apart, Joe gave Bioshock Infinite the same score as IGN and one Gamespot reviewer but gave it five points higher than the other Gamespot reviewer, if Joe was to review Prey it would almost certainly be a higher rating than what IGN gave it. If you're going to use something as meaningless as a score to tell when people are actively lying, would that mean Joe is lying when he likes games more than other sites and when he goes and visits the developers and when he dresses up in an outfit from the game while praising it and talking about loving the company that made it? 

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3)If you don't want to do 1 and 2 then get a 2nd channel for your side content.

I believe Joe and a lot of other Youtubers have mentioned how impractical that is, unless one is strictly meant to be for fun or to be more private and small, as Joe's job and business is heavily reliant on his channel that wouldn't work out well for him, even before any annoying work that would come from switching logins and managing permissions, comments, or claims on multiple channels.

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9 hours ago, Legolas_Katarn said:

That was 10 years ago, and the people that did that were fired and last I heard from the old staff were also working for the parent media company rather than being one of the reviewers or editors at Gamespot. The actual people who were fired or that left the site due to the incident don't hold grudges to the site or their employees, or complain about their work, or want it used as a way to complain about game's media.

....right.....that's why four years later in 2012, after CBS Interactive acquired the rights to Giant Bomb and nullified the Non-Disparagement clause in Jeff Gerstmann's contract, he went onto Gamespot's On the Spot webshow, and flat out TOLD people why he was fired, making clear that it wasn't JUST Kane & Lynch: Dead Men, but many others in which his review or his guidelines for OTHER reviews, weren't pleasing the advertisers on Gamespot's website.

9 hours ago, Legolas_Katarn said:

Their review scales aren't the same. With the more middle of the road score for Joe being more of an average rather than bad. This is a terrible way to compare things or to imply anyone is lying to you, even more so when a variety of people reviews games on larger sites, some who don't even work there, instead of just one person.

I'm gonna skip the "is an average game a 5 or a 7" review score argument here. I think that's where you were going with this, and frankly it's pointless. It's pointless, because it doesn't MATTER if a game is a 5 or a 7, Both Gamespot and IGN have the same problem: they will consistently score AAA games higher than their lesser brethren that DON'T have a shot at advertising on their websites. Using Joe as a comparative measure, just points that out with greater clarity.

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This is a pretty bad scene to see,Joe is someone who i have greatly enjoyed, someone who seems to take everything game wise to a extreme level has fun doing it and loves his work even if it can take a week or two to do a full Angry Review.

 

It starts off with a Schedule video were people misheard or tricked themselves into believing its a promise dont believe me skip to 12:15 in his video

Follows his "Schedule" until about a month ago suddenly mass outcry were is the Review "whats that lazy bastard doing?" "Why all this filler content" 

Joe uploads a update video not about the lack of Angry Reviews but the fact it will be another two months before we see another Angry Video, Public outrage ensues tables are flipped, people punched, Random objects are thrown.

Due to negative feedback and a poor choice on Joes part He shuts down comments as a test and then instead of saying sorry he defends himself  (I say he should say sorry due to his own rule on this matter)

 

Now we reach present day were people think he has lost Subs in Mass but no he is instead gaining people, People think the man a jackass yet stay Sub? "Attack" his non Angry Reviews but is Attack the right word? when every time u click to have a Fight on his video it gets pushed farther out for more to see. 

 

My point is this DRAMA has already ran its course and has done ZERO harm to anyone but maybe dipshit Trolls or Mega fanboys, Ironically he always takes a break around now anyways let the guy have his break.

 

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Also coming out in August; LawBreakers, Mario + Rabbids: Kingdom Battle, and Ark: Survival Evolved.

Any one of these is Angry Review material.  Not to mention the already mentioned Absolver, Agents of Mayhem, and Sonic Mania.

Joe is turning into the new Spoony.

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