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zawisz

YouTube Heroes

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So I have just seen Joe's video about YouTube heroes and I must say I am so shocked.

Not sure what does YouTube wants to achieve with this system but I can already see what are the risks of giving such power to the users.

For instance ability for the Developers or Publishers to moderate the reviews or videos which should negative opinions on their games fairly easy (using the 'voice of the ommunity').

If this really goes live I just wonder how long will it take before we will have to find a different platform to use.

I hope that all of the people posting on this are wrong and that YouTube have though this through but looking at the history of how they rule their platform it might not be the case.

 

 

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I see this being used more by trolls.

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Honestly I'm confused...  how exactly do we become "Hero's"?  Is it just partnered content creators flagging legitimate abuse or can anybody make accounts and start flagging random videos like a sick version of "Hey!  Check my status BITCH!?  I almost feel like I must have heard something wrong here......

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1 hour ago, Crazycrab said:

Honestly I'm confused...  how exactly do we become "Hero's"?  Is it just partnered content creators flagging legitimate abuse or can anybody make accounts and start flagging random videos like a sick version of "Hey!  Check my status BITCH!?  I almost feel like I must have heard something wrong here......

We become "Heroes" by cleaning up Youtube of unsavory stuff from comments to content. From the sounds of it, anyone can apply to be one of these "Heroes". Don't know if this is just Youtube not explaining things very well, or if this is what they intended.

 

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Being a Youtube "Hero" is as easy as signing up apparently:

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7124236?hl=en

 

Also, their "Perks":

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7124238

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So all the XP will basically come from adding subtitles to videos and the rest is likely just thrown in pointlessness to try to get people to volunteer to do Youtube's job for free. There's no monetary value in it for Youtube to pay people to correctly flag videos and comments or really even to bother with getting people to volunteer but there is likely to be incentive for them to get people to subtitle videos for other languages or for the hearing impaired as it can increase market value, which is likely why the entire system really exists and why all the "rewards" are worthless. The people that want to mass flag videos for fun are likely the people that are already stalking, harassing, and flagging things for fun, instead of bothering to earn the points (by doing the opposite of what they normally do and correctly flagging content) they need to unlock those tools they will likely just continue to create multiple accounts to falsely mass report things anyway. Comment moderation is limited to the pointless heroes forum (Level 3: "Help moderate content in the Youtube Heroes community), which has nothing to do with the types of tools that people like Joe are upset about not having because it isn't effecting anything meaningful anyway. I really don't see any reason to become worried about someone legitamitally gaining 300 points just so they can mass flag random videos that are probably already being flagged by people anyway if you are kind of channel that attracts those kind of people. It doesn't sound like this system will end up causing any more problems than the ones Youtube already won't fix and might just give people more subtitle options at best.

 

This also reminds me, I hate Youtube recommendations (I'm sure Jim's video is rational, unlike the WANTS YOU TO SNITCH all caps ones). Based on his Twitter it looks like Joe just watched the video as soon as he heard about it and then instantly made a rant video.

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''Report Negative Content'' report your fucking stupidity you cum stains, this world is not all rainbows and sunshine and If you're too sensitive to HANDLE REALITY, go and die somewhere.

''Wow! You know that thing that's been plaguing the site for the better part of a decade? You know the thing that's BEING CONSTANTLY ABUSED? THE THING THAT'S PRIMARILY USED TO SILENCE, CENSOR AND SHUT OTHER PEOPLE DOWN? WE'VE MADE THAT INTO A FUCKING GAME" Exactly my thoughts, fuck this.

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I would rather hire a larger team of hackers that can track down people through comments via IPs or anyhow else and so they can track down this toxic shitters ruining the community and once tracked, take a wooden pole and stuck it up their butt and then set the pole on fire. Just like in the good old times. Wonder how shitty the comment section will be then.  

 

 

 

On a more serious note: youtube, you are fucking retarded.

Look, im making toxic comments. Someone plz notice me and flag me

 

 

 

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Youtube changed up the "Youtube Heroes" video hoping nobody would notice. Welp, someone did.

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I swear, everything YouTube has been doing recently has been a back-handed (and extremely poor/open ended) way of trying to get rid of Drama channels. I mean, I want them gone too. But they should just pony up and ban them.

Heroes has the constitution of a decent idea gone awry. Encouraging reporting bs and adding captions is a great thing, but who the FUCK thought that mass flagging videos was a good idea. I can only point to the idea that it is in attempt to get rid of drama channels. And again, they just need to ban them outright on their own. Pony up and take the hit.

Far too many YouTubers are going into the negative without highlighting the positive. Including Joe. Yes, it's a poorly executed idea. Yes, there is some absolute bullshit within it. But the only two people I've seen discuss it rationally are Jim Sterling and Boogie.

(Also, if you try to make a clickbait-y title and add on the all-caps, get fucked. That is the most annoying shit I've seen. Yes, that includes gratuitous cleavage in the thumbnail)

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1 hour ago, Jayson's Rage said:

I swear, everything YouTube has been doing recently has been a back-handed (and extremely poor/open ended) way of trying to get rid of Drama channels. I mean, I want them gone too. But they should just pony up and ban them.

Heroes has the constitution of a decent idea gone awry. Encouraging reporting bs and adding captions is a great thing, but who the FUCK thought that mass flagging videos was a good idea. I can only point to the idea that it is in attempt to get rid of drama channels. And again, they just need to ban them outright on their own. Pony up and take the hit.

Far too many YouTubers are going into the negative without highlighting the positive. Including Joe. Yes, it's a poorly executed idea. Yes, there is some absolute bullshit within it. But the only two people I've seen discuss it rationally are Jim Sterling and Boogie.

(Also, if you try to make a clickbait-y title and add on the all-caps, get fucked. That is the most annoying shit I've seen. Yes, that includes gratuitous cleavage in the thumbnail)

 

I don't think their intentions are pure at all, It seems to me that they are just being lazy and trying to absolve themselves of the responsibility for the moderation of the website.

 

From what I can tell this is essentially a method of google to get people to moderate YouTube without paying them, It's pretty damn obvious why this isn't going to work.  When you pay people properly to do the work you get people who do it.  When you pay peanuts you get monkey's doing it.  When you pay NOTHING your lucky to get monkeys!

 

They will be some people that would join the programme because they genuinely case but after a while most of them will eventually start abusing their power and flag videos simply because they don't agree with them.  This would only make trolling on the website worse and the "Hero's" will inevitability just start flagging videos and YouTubers they don't like rather than phishing out infringing or offensive content.

 

It's likely that the biggest victims of this will be drama channels like DramaAlert and LeafyisHere (which I might as well add people seem to take WAY to seriously) but for fucks sake if you don't like that content then just don't watch it!  Block the channel so it never shows up on your home page!  It's called free speech so weather you like it or not they have the right to talk about whatever they want!

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Far too many YouTubers are going into the negative without highlighting the positive. Including Joe. Yes, it's a poorly executed idea. Yes, there is some absolute bullshit within it.

Don't have a problem with just focusing on the negative. All caps hyperbole, that's annoying. Or just boring over saturation with nothing added to the conversation.

 

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They will be some people that would join the programme because they genuinely case but after a while most of them will eventually start abusing their power and flag videos simply because they don't agree with them.  This would only make trolling on the website worse and the "Hero's" will inevitability just start flagging videos and YouTubers they don't like rather than phishing out infringing or offensive content.

How is that different than what people can already do? It's all checked by the same system. Poor one though it may be, I know enough people who get threats and reports over Youtube videos already, if thir videos are ok now I don't see how this will make anything worse. The only way it can be worse is if the system just automatically gave everyone the ability to mass flag content.

 

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It's called free speech so weather you like it or not they have the right to talk about whatever they want!

They don't have the right to talk about whatever they want, they have the right to attempt to use Youtube as a free platform for their speech with whatever guidelines Youtube chooses to implement, whether or not they be good, bad, confusing, or ones of mixed results. Even more so when advertisers are involved, and people are capable of finding their own sponsors separate from Youtube to pay them. Depending on where they live they also might not have a free speech law at all, or at least one that is more rational then the US that prohibits certain things. This doesn't even seem related to that kind of an issue anyway as this is more involved with ToS violations (or adding subtitles) rather than not liking what someone said. Report videos involves reporting it for hate speech, child endangerment, porn, spam, infringing on your rights, graphic violence, animal abuse, etc. There's no "I don't like this" option.

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just passing by to add this

 

and this

 

i can see how Feminazis, SWJs, Governments, Corporate commanders, Trolls and Haters will abuse the system.

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1 hour ago, Legolas_Katarn said:

They don't have the right to talk about whatever they want, they have the right to attempt to use Youtube as a free platform for their speech with whatever guidelines Youtube chooses to implement, whether or not they be good, bad, confusing, or ones of mixed results. Even more so when advertisers are involved, and people are capable of finding their own sponsors separate from Youtube to pay them. Depending on where they live they also might not have a free speech law at all, or at least one that is more rational then the US that prohibits certain things. This doesn't even seem related to that kind of an issue anyway as this is more involved with ToS violations (or adding subtitles) rather than not liking what someone said. Report videos involves reporting it for hate speech, child endangerment, porn, spam, infringing on your rights, graphic violence, animal abuse, etc. There's no "I don't like this" option.

True, their freedom is limited to what YouTube decides, but I think that he meant that they SHOULD BE ABLE, and I think that is ESSENTIAL any way you look at It and I'm not just talking about Negative Content, I mean If you don't want to watch an all caps video ''YOUTUBE DEAD" or something, you can just, you know, not watch It? I also mean that people do not like when someone has a different opinion, not even me, and the problem is that the ''Negative Content'' is so vague like all the other updated YouTube rules that essentially people can use this to silence others even more than they can right now, which is the problem, I get the impression that you don't think this is bad because you can already do It in some extent, but It's really bad, especially to the people who have this as a job to see their ''Employer'' further encourage such things.

So for example, what would happen If a YouTube Hero disagrees with someone, and decides to mass flag said person's videos? What If the videos don't contain any of the aforementioned content? Even without this system you can see how much It Is abused and what a huge portion of them are false. And you're essentially saying '' This is fine, If you're already suffering from the abuse system It's not bad'' Of course It's fucking bad, and you downright seem to defend It, It's as If someone Is being beaten by a thug, and the law just calls more thugs to beat on him and you're saying well this isn't too bad, you're already being beaten by one, so what's 3 more to finish you off?

PS: I do think that however the advertisers can choose what video they want their ads on, so I completely understand if the revenue on a video about Rape or something is lower. But the problem is that the Bots flag videos according to what words are in the title and description, not really what the video is about, that's also a problem.

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Is there anyone who thinks this is a good idea?

Between this and YT's recent and no-so-recent fuckups, it's clear YouTube is in dire need of new leadership.

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Just let YouTube die already, it's gone downhill and almost a hassle having to sift through garbage to find what I'm looking for. Take away monetization and that should reduce the number of talentless people trying to get "internet famous" or creating the click-bait titles and half naked girl thumbnails for attention. YouTube got greedy with monetization and went far beyond when Google took over, it's only going to get worse in my opinion.

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