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God Revan

Youtube becoming more Anti-User

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Recently today, Youtube started to institute a new algorithm system that will periodically and constantly be checking up on your videos for copyrighted material. What this means is that you're not getting a Copyright Strike but what will happen that your video with any kind of copyrighted meterial will be flagged as "Matched Third Party Content" by Youtube, not the copyrighted owner or company, YOUTUBE THEMSELVES. Right now, people that make transformative and creative work with Lets Plays or video games or movies or reviews are ALL subjected for review no matter what by a machine, not a person, a machine....I'm fucking serious. As of right now, if your videos get "Flagged" by this system, you no longer have any kind of LEGAL OWNERSHIP RIGHTS to your videos and/or content.

You are given the opportunity to dispute the claim but unfortunately Youtube gives you no explanation, which violates 512(f), nor any time table of how long this will take. They also have NO RESPONSIBILITY WHATSOEVER to follow up on the disputes and can just leave it in limbo. This violates sections 512© and 512(g) if we use the interpretation of 512 by Lawrence Lessig founder of creative commons in Lessig v. Liberation Music Pty Ltd. Also if you have Ads to monetize your videos, they are stripped away and given to the copyrighted owner. Your video stays but you make no money.

I have left this video on the bottom since this person, DarksydePhil expected this to happen and has given a much more detailed explanation. Please watch this entirely and hope that Joe sees this as well.



Update 12/10/2013: Publishers and Developers have caught wind of this problems and are confirming that it's not them making the claims and are helping youtubers clear things up. Its is GOOGLE who is making these claims. Here's a video of DarksydePhil showing everyone on how to get monitization back on videos once the claims were released. ALSO provides more information on whats happening with the Content ID debacle.



Update 12/11/2013: Capcom, Naughty Dog, Deep Silver, and other studios have publicly come out and announced that they are NOT behind the Content ID Matching in Youtube, but Google themselves. Although other companies such as Nintendo are either staying silent or taking advantage of this situation to fill their pockets with money. But you want to know whats THE WORST OF ALL? The Record Labels and 3rd Parties companies that made background music or anything in relation are what is slandering, defaming, and screwing with Youtubers and their creative content. Watch the video below for more info. Best part is at 14:07



Update 12/12/13 3:14 AM- Joe's Angry Rant has come up and he goes to town on Youtube's ass!



Update 12/12/13 8:36 PM: Total Biscuit gives his take on the current "Youtube Copyright Blitz" that is hampering the transformative, creative and imaginative work that content creators are going through

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JqjDhuPFaQ



Update 12/12/13 9:23 PM: Andre, better known as the Black Nerd goes on explaining his take on the Youtube problem and wants people not to blame Nintendo after many media outlets take his Tweets out of context and assume he was talking about Nintendo. Watch the video for more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qf00GyCeWAs



Update 12/13/13 4:20 AM: Basically the first and ONLY person on Youtube that had the balls to say this to a Publisher[or someone who claims to be a Publisher] to take him to Court! DarksydePhil obtained a Copyright Strike from "Sega" on his last part of his Binary Domain Playthrough. He initially disputed the claim with a counter-claim and instead of the usual response, he got a Strike instead of a reinstate claim. Watch the video because shit seriously got real. We finally MIGHT have someone to become the medium of finding out if Video Game Playthroughs/Walkthroughs fall on the Fair Use Doctrine.

PS. Spread the word of this video in specific. Spread the word to the gaming outlets so they can see that someone is standing up against corporate bullshit and to stand up against flawed systems!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91A36neoaDo


 
Update 12/13/13 3:51 PM: Main post updated. Joe comes back more relaxed and gives his input on what is broken and how it needs to be fixed. He also explain additional points about Ad Revenue with Record Labels. Watch for more info.
 

 

Update 12/13/13 11:10 PM: DarksydePhil comes back with nothing but good news for everyone. ID Content Matching is slowing down but apparently there seem to be bugs in the system that aren't sending Emails to the users as its supposed to. Also Sega personally contacted Phil and are looking into his Binary Domain video.

 

PS. Personally...I was hoping they would take DSP to Court because we SERIOUSLY need a legal precedence whenever Lets Plays are fair use or not. It could still happen though. If it does, I wish him luck.

 

 

Update 12/14/13 11:00 PM: In a big 180, DSP has nothing but bad news and informs that most of the Record Labels that are reporting are from UMG Studios and APM Studios. Also shares that he wouldn't complain much because he's in the minority because of the near 25k Videos he has uploaded, only less than 500 were Content ID'ed. He also expresses his feelings to those that edit alot, even mentioning Angry Joe. That people like him that work so hard, do deserve the money they earn. In addition, gives Youtube and Google another kick in the ass. Watch the video for more information.

 

 

Update 12/15/13 9:30 PM: Great News everyone! A way has been found to bypass the ID Content match against 3rd Party Music Companies, EVEN getting Blocked Videos Back up. Although I must announce that this trick works ONLY for videos that are under 10k Views. Over 10k Views will error out. This is amazing! DSP explains and gives a walkthrough of on how you can get Monitization back on your videos with 10k and below. And apparently Youtube was AWARE of a way to help Content Creators to remove these ID Content claims but decided not to tell anyone and let them suffer. Watch video for more information.

 

Edited by God Revan

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I read about this on another forum last night. This is strike 2 in a very short time. First they royal screw up the comments, now this. They're slowly committing internet suicide. Though, it's also the fault of all the publishers, since the greedy assholes want to make money every way they can.                                                                                   

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As far as I know, things like this have been happening for awhile. YouTube/Google is either being pressured from the outside or doing something stupid themselves, why they constantly make things difficult for the people who give them content and make them money is beyond me. Anyways, this isn't really news but I guess we'll see where this in particular goes.

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Well, you know, the reason Youtube is doing this is because they're probably getting hassled by MANY game developing companies and publishers about reviewers using their content.

 

And quite frankly, it'll easily back fire on those companies and corporations because, for me, I watch reviews on Youtube to help me make a good decision in purchasing a game. Not only that, these game reviewers (such as Angry Joe), are helping these companies make game sales for free. Assuming the game is actually good because if not, then I can see why they would want to throw a cover over it.

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Completely absurd. This is completely just selfish and arrogant. 

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Guys WATCH the video. It explains that the Publishers has NOTHING to do with this. It's Youtube itself trying to protects it's own ass.

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Its not like Youtube, or Google, for that matter is the one trying to impose this. This only comes as a result of corporate pressure from content publishers, like, for instance, SEGA, because we've seen their beautifully wholesome internet conduct in the past. I realize the execution could be better, but I wouldn't go running to the hills, screaming of the evils of Youtube. Youtube is still very much "trail blazing" this method of content distribution, so missteps like this are inevitable. With that said, that certainly doesn't excuse this incident, its still very much an issue that needs fixing. I would much prefer to see a Youtube with less "big brother" style policing of content, but alas, they've got to find a medium somewhere.

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I don't see any reason why game companies or youtube for that matter are doing this. It benefits absolutely no one. If youtube continues to piss off its users like this, its only a matter of time before their big lets players and videogame reviewers move to other sites like twitch.

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There was actually an issue with SEGA going after a Youtuber who posted a video of an old game they made and they fought hard to get it removed. I forget the name of the game, but game publishers do in fact have a part in this, too.

 

Why else would Youtube be so stingy and restrictive with this content? Not only that, there have been problems from Advertisers who don't want their ads on some videos that may be inappropriate as they think it reflects badly on their product.

 

Also, movie studios are also probably putting pressure on Youtube. Why? Well, search some full movies (Pearl Harbor for example) and count how many you see. Now, that's a problem for them.

 

I'm not going to say Youtube is the good guy here, but they definitely have their reasons and it's a fault of both parties as Youtube should have a better code for this.

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Guys WATCH the video. It explains that the Publishers has NOTHING to do with this. It's Youtube itself trying to protects it's own ass.

It is the publishers and developers, just take a look at their stances:

 

Taken from this website: http://cramgaming.com/youtube-getting-tough-video-game-monetization-12989/

* Activision - Does not allow derivative works per their terms. See 3. License.

* Bungie - Specifically says not to create derivative works from their software in their terms. Probably why Halo is a pain.

* Capcom - OK if you aren’t making any money. See this FAQ post on their forums.

* Codemasters - Does grant permission to monetize videos as confirmed here.

* GungHo Online - These guys do stuff like Ragnarok Online. Videos OK, monetization not OK.

* Microsoft - Videos are completely fine as long as you are not paid. They say part of this includes Halo in their rules, so Bungie may or may not still get on your case. Check out the rules here.

* Natsume - These guys are famous for Harvest Moon among others. From an email they allow videos without monetization.

* Naughty Dog - The Last of Us, Uncharted, Jak and Daxter… great games, but they don’t want you to use ANY of their footage (said via email).

* Nintendo - Encourages videos (especially Let’s Plays), but may decide to monetize your video. The exact wording is on Go Nintendo.

* NIS America - Famous for stuff like Danganrompa and Disgaea. Encourages videos, monetization not allowed.

* Rockstar / Take-Two Interactive - Encourages videos unless they are just straight cutscene footage (Let’s Plays with cutscenes OK). Pretty sure they don’t want things monetized. See the full rules here.

* Sega - Does not give any license for YouTube footage .

* SNK - They do not give license for derivative works.

* Square Enix - Does not grant individual permission to use their works, but DOES grant permission to larger entities. .

* TecmoKoei - Famous for stuff like Dead or Alive and Ninja Gaiden. Specifically in the words of the email, “TecmoKoei does allow people to make video reviews and other similar works, but we do not typically allow monetization.”

* TellTale Games - The Walking Dead, Wolf Among Us, Sam and Max… these guys have some really good stuff. Let’s Plays are definitely allowed, monetization is not. See this permission post on their forums.

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It is the publishers and developers, just take a look at their stances:

But the publishers themselves aren't doing the reporting, its Youtube itself through its stupid algorithm.

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youtube now = titanic...JUMP FROM THE SINKING SHIP

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Unless a new site that has a better system and is alot more user friendly than Youtube, I don't see Youtube being the Titanic unless user outrage increases.

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I was planning on starting to do let's play videos and reviews and i didn't know of this situation yet. Thank you for the heads up I'll have to be carefull and think about this more carefully.

Sorry for any grammar errors for it's not my native language.

Good games every1

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I remember the good old days before youtube got bought. Ya had the original youtube celebrities like boh3m3 and culturekiller and tons of others.

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All right, Youtube, I hate to do this, but I need to cover my own ass right now just as much as I need to protest this.

ALL of the videos on my channel are coming down. Every. Last. One of them. I know I'm hardly Pewdiepie, but if I was attracting anybody to the site with them, if they were making any money off them, that's a thing of the past. No more ad revenue from me, Google.

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This will likely result in content creators taking their business elsewhere and Youtube's traffic plummeting. I already am set up over at DailyMotion so I should be good shall the shit hit the fan with their site.

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This will likely result in content creators taking their business elsewhere and Youtube's traffic plummeting. I already am set up over at DailyMotion so I should be good shall the shit hit the fan with their site.

I'm about to start making a DailyMotion account there.

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It is the publishers and developers, just take a look at their stances:

I Don't understand how these companies can think it's a good idea to basically say "Yes, we want you to put time and effort into a video to advertise our game for free to your fanbase but you don't deserve to get paid for it.". That's absolutely ridiculous, it's not like the money they're getting paid is coming out of these companies pockets. The greed is just so infuriating.

It's FREE advertising to potentially millions of people, why try to stop it? 

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I Don't understand how these companies can think it's a good idea to basically say "Yes, we want you to put time and effort into a video to advertise our game for free to your fanbase but you don't deserve to get paid for it.". That's absolutely ridiculous, it's not like the money they're getting paid is coming out of these companies pockets. The greed is just so infuriating.

It's FREE advertising to potentially millions of people, why try to stop it? 

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Because they are just greedy people that the only thing in their head is profit and money and seeing people making money through these lets play is money and profit lost in their pockets. They see it as a loss instead of free advertisement.

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Because they are just greedy people that the only thing in their head is profit and money and seeing people making money through these lets play is money and profit lost in their pockets. They see it as a loss instead of free advertisement.

Which goes to show how misguided and out of touch they are.

They don't realize that these videos do far more good than harm. If you're game is good and people see that because of a favorite youtuber, they end up buying it when they otherwise may not have. Even if the game is bad, if a youtuber covers it, there will be people who will buy it out of morbid curiosity just to see how bad it really is.

It's just really disappointing that these big companies are making youtubers the enemy rather than realizing the benefits they provide.

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There's a stream going on right now regarding this matter.

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Now that's just stupid. This new system worded like this means that we can't use copyrighted music, movies, games, etc. and as we all know, almost everything is copyrighted. Only original content will be allowed to stay that way, and while it is a plenty, many parodies and youtube movies have music that is in one way or another copyrighted.

 

They're shooting themselves in the foot. A LOT of major youtubers use copyrighted materials for either  reviews ( most of them ), parodies ( again, most of them do so at some point ) or whatever. So, they will practically lose a large part of celebrities that make them popular in the first place. And as everybody here said, reviewers advertise games - arguably even more than a gaming review site like IGN does nowadays - and will now remove those people's videos? Nobody is even paying those people for working their ass off on those videos ( well, except for ads which publishers and devs pay nothing for, but everybody pointed that out already ). Is there really a reason to remove videos with such content other than being douches? They won't even get more profit from removing such videos! The hell?

 

I hope this bull doesn't go through, cause if it does, most of youtube will be screwed over. It's a change with 0 benefits for youtube, google or the publishers, and it's even worse for us, the consumers, who are just looking for a game review that is trustworthy. Yeah, sure, there are some full movies/series on youtube as well, I can't argue with that, but if they REALLY wanted to deal with them, they would've removed them individually. This is more like a SOPA/PIPA, except instead of monitoring everything, it's blocking ALMOST everything.

 

The videos that will remain are mostly homemade though if that is to pass. Most of today's youtube will probably emigrate to another site if something like this happened. I mean, what the hell youtube? Why?

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